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[terrycobetter]

Gold memebers doent mean trustworthy nnor reliability,it only means they have paid member fee to b2b sites,verification is made in advance but all needed documents can be made up,and the b2b salesman will even help you to pass the verification,company name,address,tel,fax,all information can be fake,and they do not check reguarly,only real is money,this is indeed the truth.

fraud happens usually for the 100% payment made in advance by T/T(to boss'es account) or WU.even trading with those legitimate companies.people tend to not be responsible for the deal after they receive the payment,some disappear,some sending junk,your money just gone and never back.but still there are lots of trustworthy suppliers in China,you shoud be very careful with those 100% payment advance business.

the best way is to meet them to make a close inspection,sourcing agent might be reliable but do not forget they are also traders,but it shoud be very costy that way.you can also pay by credit card or paypal,serious companies can take paypal,paypal works very well now in China,a little bit pricy but worth,and its not restricted as scammers state,that's cheating.do trust me on this.because I have a paypal account,verified.

I feel very very shameful for those scammers in China,they should be sent to prison.I am a trader in the business of electronics so I am very clear about all this.

[Glasgow09]

I think people should stay away from alibaba all together! Even the people on the community fourm on the website speak of how they always get ripped off from gold sellers and trusted members. These dont count for anythying! I spent weeks on the website looking at iphones and ipods, signed up to the updates for these items only to be dissapointed in most of them because they were scammers.

Can i just reitterate - IF IT SOUNDS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, IT NORMALLY IS!

Thanks

[jlvanin]

hello
I bought a few weeks 40 pen drives with that company to pay and so far had no response
Not answered my emails
Do not answer phone
any type of contact

these are the figures that you gave to make the payment:

FIRST NAME: MEI PING
LAST NAME: ZHOU
City: shenzhen
PROVINCE: Guangdong
COUNTRY: CHINA
Zipcode: 518000

data on their website:

Telephone No :0755-29207408
Fax No :0755-29207408
Email Address: Hengtian8484@gmail.com
Contact person: Syed Chen
MSN: hengtian8484@hotmail.com
usb-memory-disk@hotmail.com
usb-flash-drive@hotmail.com

http://www.cyjue.com/
http://www.usb-memory-disk.com/

best regards

[dinhquanghuy]

hello . I've just read all pages in this topic .I was shocked when seeing transcript because it's the thing they said to me . All of them said in the same way .one guy from Shenzhen said that he sell Iphone for 200usd .He work all night ,and when we sent fax to his company ,he said that his company phone line was fixed by China telecom . He sell iphone but he doesn't know about itune and any thing inside an iphone . lolz .
After I post a buying lead in Alibaba,I got many mails .Some of them tell me their price for iphone 3g 16gb is just 110usd or 120usd ,or 180usd .... All of them swear their product is 100 % original or authentic . But how could their price is cheaper than apple ? it's the thing make me laugh . They're all scammer ,trying to got money from me .
some of company doesn't look like scammer ,but when I ask for using my carrier for shipping ,or my people will pick up good for me ,they denied ,or when I ask for certificated of origin (issued when they import good ) or a contract with their sign ,they said in the same way :" sorry , we can work if you think me a scammer " . That's what I think : they are obviously scammers .

[ibz92]

thanks for this..........

[dragonstart]

I'm from Shanghai Chian and read some comments from this thread .I used to work in famous Japane trade company in Shanghai and i know that new traders from oversea should contact CHINESE factory ,not trader .It's really important .So far there're really no profit for many products . So it's dangerous to handle business with traders. Of course ,if oversea traders plan to do long term business ,my suggestion is to find partner in China who can help you get more detailed seller information whom you are planing to do business. in that case ,you can reduce your risk and save time to do other great business.

[canada]

Originally Posted by dinhquanghuy

hello . I've just read all pages in this topic .I was shocked when seeing transcript because it's the thing they said to me . All of them said in the same way .one guy from Shenzhen said that he sell Iphone for 200usd .He work all night ,and when we sent fax to his company ,he said that his company phone line was fixed by China telecom . He sell iphone but he doesn't know about itune and any thing inside an iphone . lolz .
After I post a buying lead in Alibaba,I got many mails .

Some of them tell me their price for iphone 3g 16gb is just 110usd or 120usd ,or 180usd .... All of them swear their product is 100 % original or authentic . But how could their price is cheaper than apple ? it's the thing make me laugh .

They're all scammer ,trying to got money from me .
some of company doesn't look like scammer ,but when I ask for using my carrier for shipping ,or my people will pick up good for me ,they denied ,or when I ask for certificated of origin (issued when they import good ) or a contract with their sign ,they said in the same way :" sorry , we can work if you think me a scammer " . That's what I think : they are obviously scammers .

The Apple iPhone is not sold in China,you would have to source from Hong Kong.There's no authorized wholesale distribution for most name brand goods in China.

Scott

[TFHerz]

I have heard that if you make a payment through a business account using a bank that will have offices over in China, you can send the money over to the chinese branch, who will hold the money for you untill the goods have been sent to you.

Does anyone know anything further on this?

[substance]

Hi people,
I want to buy 3 macbook pro`s from an alibaba company, but it seems like it could be a fraud so I need some advice.
The company`s website is: http://kangen.en.alibaba.com/

Below are some parts of my skype transcript and a few suspicious things stand out:

1. They produce a specific product, but still offer hot items like notebooks, ipods and dSLRs.

2. They want immediate payment, because a supposed "discount activity" is due to end tomorrow.

3. A company worker is online at 04:51 AM and "working hard".

[26.7.2009 г. 22:51:22] jaycarlos says: hi
[26.7.2009 г. 22:51:24] jaycarlos says: dear friend
[26.7.2009 г. 22:51:25] jaycarlos says: how r u
[26.7.2009 г. 22:51:26] jaycarlos says: i'm here
[26.7.2009 г. 22:51:35] Марто says: Hello
[26.7.2009 г. 22:51:41] jaycarlos says: hi
[26.7.2009 г. 22:51:42] jaycarlos says: friend
[26.7.2009 г. 22:51:59] Марто says: What are your prices for Apple macbooks?
[26.7.2009 г. 22:52:15] jaycarlos says: friend
[26.7.2009 г. 22:52:21] jaycarlos says: pls tell me how many will u need?
[26.7.2009 г. 22:52:23] jaycarlos says: i will give you best price
[26.7.2009 г. 22:52:34] jaycarlos says: our minimum order is 3 pcs
[26.7.2009 г. 22:52:49] jaycarlos says: this price is 698 usd per
[26.7.2009 г. 22:52:51] jaycarlos says: we free shipping cost
[26.7.2009 г. 22:52:54] jaycarlos says: do u like?
[26.7.2009 г. 22:53:08] Марто says: yes, this seems very good
[26.7.2009 г. 22:53:15] Марто says: what are the specifications of this macbook
[26.7.2009 г. 22:53:18] jaycarlos says: i want tell u,we only sell oreiginal
[26.7.2009 г. 22:53:22] jaycarlos says: ok
[26.7.2009 г. 22:53:25] jaycarlos says: i send you now
[26.7.2009 г. 22:53:47] jaycarlos 发送了文件 "APPLE MACBOOK PRO17 DETAIL SPECIFICATIONS.doc" 给此会话中的成员
[26.7.2009 г. 22:53:51] jaycarlos says: pls accept it
[26.7.2009 г. 22:53:52] jaycarlos says: tks alot
[26.7.2009 г. 22:54:01] jaycarlos 发送了文件 "APPLE MACBOOK AIR Product Description.doc" 给此会话中的成员
[26.7.2009 г. 22:54:23] jaycarlos says: pls check now
[26.7.2009 г. 22:54:24] jaycarlos says: i'm waiting
[26.7.2009 г. 22:55:16] Марто says: Are they both the same price?
[26.7.2009 г. 22:55:20] Марто says: $ 698?
[26.7.2009 г. 22:55:23] jaycarlos says: friend
[26.7.2009 г. 22:55:24] jaycarlos says: ok
[26.7.2009 г. 22:55:28] jaycarlos says: i trust you are serious buyer
[26.7.2009 г. 22:55:32] jaycarlos says: i give you same price
[26.7.2009 г. 22:55:34] jaycarlos says: do u like?
[26.7.2009 г. 22:55:48] Марто says: yes, I am serious and I like this price a lot
[26.7.2009 г. 22:55:52] jaycarlos says: ok
[26.7.2009 г. 22:55:53] jaycarlos says: friend
[26.7.2009 г. 22:56:00] jaycarlos says: because now we do discount acitivity
[26.7.2009 г. 22:56:05] jaycarlos says: then price is so good
[26.7.2009 г. 22:56:09] jaycarlos says: understand?
[26.7.2009 г. 22:56:10] Марто says: Do they have factory warranty?
[26.7.2009 г. 22:56:14] jaycarlos says: sure
[26.7.2009 г. 22:56:14] Марто says: yes, I understand
[26.7.2009 г. 22:56:21] jaycarlos says: we have international warranty
[26.7.2009 г. 22:56:23] jaycarlos says: 2 years
[26.7.2009 г. 22:57:48] jaycarlos says: dear
[26.7.2009 г. 22:57:48] jaycarlos says: hi
[26.7.2009 г. 22:57:51] jaycarlos says: do u like?

......

[26.7.2009 г. 22:59:26] Марто says: This is very nice price, are you sure that this is original and genuine?
[26.7.2009 г. 22:59:33] jaycarlos says: sure
[26.7.2009 г. 22:59:34] jaycarlos says: friend
[26.7.2009 г. 22:59:40] jaycarlos says: because now we do discount acitivity
[26.7.2009 г. 22:59:43] jaycarlos says: i told u before
[26.7.2009 г. 22:59:56] jaycarlos says: this activity will stop on the day after tomorrow
[26.7.2009 г. 23:00:11] Марто says: and what will be the price then?
[26.7.2009 г. 23:00:11] jaycarlos says: after the day after tomorrow this model price will high
[26.7.2009 г. 23:00:13] jaycarlos says: friend
[26.7.2009 г. 23:00:22] jaycarlos says: 1598 usd per
[26.7.2009 г. 23:00:26] jaycarlos says: i can't sure

......

[26.7.2009 г. 23:09:35] jaycarlos says: http://kangen.en.alibaba.com/
[26.7.2009 г. 23:09:37] jaycarlos says: this is
[26.7.2009 г. 23:09:38] jaycarlos says: dear
[26.7.2009 г. 23:09:54] jaycarlos says: pls check now
[26.7.2009 г. 23:09:55] jaycarlos says: ok?
[26.7.2009 г. 23:09:57] jaycarlos says: i'm serious seller
[26.7.2009 г. 23:10:02] jaycarlos says: and want do business long term with u

.......

[26.7.2009 г. 23:11:37] Марто says: there are no apple macbooks on the website
[26.7.2009 г. 23:11:45] jaycarlos says: dear
[26.7.2009 г. 23:11:47] jaycarlos says: don't worry
[26.7.2009 г. 23:12:02] jaycarlos says: because now our website still not update yet
[26.7.2009 г. 23:12:14] jaycarlos says: understand?

.......

[26.7.2009 г. 23:13:39] Марто says: I don`t know, I am not sure if I should buy 3 pcs right now
[26.7.2009 г. 23:13:48] jaycarlos says: dear
[26.7.2009 г. 23:13:48] Марто says: maybe I should buy one and be sure for the next time
[26.7.2009 г. 23:13:59] jaycarlos says: this is best chance
[26.7.2009 г. 23:14:19] jaycarlos says: i want you can get this good chance
[26.7.2009 г. 23:14:36] jaycarlos says: i'm sure you will make a lot of money for our this deal
[26.7.2009 г. 23:14:43] Марто says: I will feel safer buying 3 pcs if I could pay with PayPal
[26.7.2009 г. 23:14:49] jaycarlos says: dear
[26.7.2009 г. 23:14:55] jaycarlos says: i offer you best price
[26.7.2009 г. 23:14:59] jaycarlos says: but paypal tax is too high
[26.7.2009 г. 23:15:01] jaycarlos says: we can't accept it
[26.7.2009 г. 23:15:06] jaycarlos says: i'm serious seller
[26.7.2009 г. 23:15:16] jaycarlos says: in our alibaba website have our company all info
[26.7.2009 г. 23:15:18] jaycarlos says: u can check

.......

[26.7.2009 г. 23:15:46] jaycarlos says: if you use western union now
[26.7.2009 г. 23:15:53] jaycarlos says: we can send you 1 gift
[26.7.2009 г. 23:15:54] jaycarlos says: do u like?
[26.7.2009 г. 23:16:18] Марто says: what gift
[26.7.2009 г. 23:16:27] jaycarlos says: apple iphone
[26.7.2009 г. 23:16:28] jaycarlos says: mobile phones
[26.7.2009 г. 23:17:16] jaycarlos says: hi
[26.7.2009 г. 23:17:19] jaycarlos says: do u like?
[26.7.2009 г. 23:17:20] jaycarlos says: newest model
[26.7.2009 г. 23:17:52] jaycarlos says: apple iphone 3G 16gb
[26.7.2009 г. 23:18:05] jaycarlos says: the price is 458 usd per

.......

[26.7.2009 г. 23:20:52] jaycarlos says: (International Wire Transfer)

　　bank : AGRICULTURAL BANK OF CHINA
Swift code : ABOCCNBJ120
　　account owner : hongzhi yu
　　account NO : 622848-0660-64488-0115
　　
　　address: nantong city jiangsu provincechina
　 zip : 226000

.......

[26.7.2009 г. 23:24:51] Марто says: So I have to do a bank transfer tomorrow in order to get the discount?
[26.7.2009 г. 23:25:02] jaycarlos says: yes
[26.7.2009 г. 23:25:04] jaycarlos says: dear
[26.7.2009 г. 23:25:21] jaycarlos says: i'm sure you will get a lot of money for this deal
[26.7.2009 г. 23:25:28] jaycarlos says: i'm serious seller
[26.7.2009 г. 23:25:33] jaycarlos says: i really want do business long term with u
[26.7.2009 г. 23:25:43] jaycarlos says: i'm sure this is our business good start

.......

[26.7.2009 г. 23:36:13] jaycarlos says: i told my boss will prepare you products soon
[26.7.2009 г. 23:36:20] jaycarlos says: our delivery time is 4-6 days
[26.7.2009 г. 23:36:29] jaycarlos says: our shipment by EMS,TNT,DHL,UPS,FEDEX
[26.7.2009 г. 23:36:37] jaycarlos says: which one u like?
[26.7.2009 г. 23:36:42] Марто says: DHL
[26.7.2009 г. 23:36:45] Марто says: with a tracking number
[26.7.2009 г. 23:36:50] jaycarlos says: yes
[26.7.2009 г. 23:36:54] jaycarlos says: right
[26.7.2009 г. 23:36:57] jaycarlos says: DHL
[26.7.2009 г. 23:36:58] jaycarlos says: no problem
[26.7.2009 г. 23:37:10] jaycarlos says: when we receive you payment we will ship your goods soon
[26.7.2009 г. 23:37:19] jaycarlos says: and give you DHL tracking number soon
[26.7.2009 г. 23:37:22] jaycarlos says: ok?

.......

[26.7.2009 г. 23:45:17] jaycarlos says: can u give me you detail info
[26.7.2009 г. 23:45:25] jaycarlos says: then when we receive you payment
[26.7.2009 г. 23:45:31] jaycarlos says: we can ship you goods soon
[26.7.2009 г. 23:45:32] jaycarlos says: ok?
[26.7.2009 г. 23:46:08] Марто says: my address details are:
[26.7.2009 г. 23:46:25] Марто says:**************************
[26.7.2009 г. 23:46:29] Марто says: Martin Sotirov
[26.7.2009 г. 23:47:14] jaycarlos says: phone number
[26.7.2009 г. 23:47:15] jaycarlos says: dear
[26.7.2009 г. 23:47:28] Марто says: *************************
[26.7.2009 г. 23:47:32] jaycarlos says: ok
[26.7.2009 г. 23:47:33] jaycarlos says: dear
[26.7.2009 г. 23:47:36] jaycarlos says: tks alot
[26.7.2009 г. 23:47:39] jaycarlos says: now i have you all info

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[11:56:41] Марто says: Hello,
can you please give me your Western Union details, too, I might send via WU
[12:07:24] jaycarlos says: hi
[12:07:28] jaycarlos says: dear
[12:07:30] jaycarlos says: i'm here
[12:11:07] jaycarlos says: western union payment:

first name: hongzhi
last name: yu
address :nantong city jiangsu province china
zip : 226000
[12:13:43] Марто says: hey, I have a question: when you wrote to me yesterday it was 04:51 AM in your city, why were you working at that time?
[12:14:10] jaycarlos says: dear
[12:14:11] jaycarlos says: don't worry
[12:14:16] jaycarlos says: i'm young
[12:14:23] jaycarlos says: i must work hard
[12:14:26] jaycarlos says: i'm online everyday
[12:14:44] jaycarlos says: when i tried i will have some rest
[12:14:54] jaycarlos says: u are work hard too
[12:14:54] jaycarlos says: dear
[12:15:39] jaycarlos says: do u have other questions?
[12:15:50] jaycarlos says: i'm honest person
[12:15:57] jaycarlos says: i will tell u all truth
[12:15:59] jaycarlos says: ok?

........

[12:21:33] jaycarlos says: when you receive our products you don't liek
[12:21:36] jaycarlos says: dont like
[12:21:40] jaycarlos says: we can send back you all payment
[12:21:50] jaycarlos says: and after you send back our products
[12:21:58] jaycarlos says: and if have any problem with this deal
[12:22:18] jaycarlos says: my boss promise you send back you all payment
[12:22:20] jaycarlos says: you don't worry
[12:22:36] jaycarlos says: we are all serious person
[12:22:41] jaycarlos says: do business must honest and serious
[12:22:51] jaycarlos says: i trust you are serious too
[12:22:54] jaycarlos says: dear
[12:22:57] jaycarlos says: ok

[amazingRay]

stay away mate!!! big scam!!!