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[Beneddie1112]

Originally Posted by robbobb

4. They claim to have been trading since before 2007 yet they have only been registered on www.Alibaba.com since 2007. This is another sign of a scam.

This isn't true. Just because a company has a newly established account does not mean they are a scammer, A lot of wholesalers don't deal on the internet at all or they just have emails. Not everyone goes straight on the internet once they start their business.

[David_Aus]

Hey thankls that was good to read and helpfull

[MishaRus]

Here is a piece of transcript from today, chat with Putian Junnuo Shoes & Clothes Trade Co., Ltd.


Aeon $420 Name Jackey: hello
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: nice to meet you
Michael Mishkin: I think we already meet before
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: yes
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: we are friend
Michael Mishkin: Yes
Michael Mishkin: Hey what time is it it china?
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: pm 21.32
Michael Mishkin: Your'e working late.
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: yes
Michael Mishkin: When is your working days supposed to be over.
Michael Mishkin: What time you get off work?
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: maybe until am 02.00
Michael Mishkin: Why do you work so late.
Michael Mishkin: Normal people leave work around 5pm
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: this is life
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: i work 8hours
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: how about you ?
Michael Mishkin: I work from the time i ripp my head off the pillow to the time when i can't hold it up no more.
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: oh
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: what do you do my friend
Michael Mishkin: I sell electronics in my store DIGITAL NOMAD.
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: oh very well
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: how about our business
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: my friend
Michael Mishkin: Please wait.
Michael Mishkin: Hey i have to leave for maybe 30 min and when i get back we can talk ok?
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: ok
Michael Mishkin: Good
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: see you later
Michael Mishkin: Ok, i'm back
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: welcome to back
Michael Mishkin: Thank you
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: can we go on our busiess
Michael Mishkin: Well my friend i would love to make business with you but what kind of guarantee do i get that i don't get ripped off?
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: what is your meaning
Michael Mishkin: WHAT KIND OF GUARANTEE DO I GET THAT I WILL GET MY PRODUCT AFTER I SEND YOU THE MONEY?
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: where are you from my freidn
Michael Mishkin: Why does this matter?
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: if you need i can give you some tracking number
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: you can check it bu yourself
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: i know you also sell on alibaba
Michael Mishkin: You are mistaking
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: but when i see your information
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: there are many picture
Michael Mishkin: Many pictures of what?
Michael Mishkin: By the way can you give me the link?
Michael Mishkin: Hello are you still there?
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: am here
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: now i can not open
Michael Mishkin: What are you talking about.
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: oh
Michael Mishkin: What is the link
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: sorry
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: now there is no anything
Michael Mishkin: But still what is the link?
Michael Mishkin: Can you give it to me?
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: http://www.alibaba.com/company/0.htm...id=rusmishania
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: sorry maybe i made a mistake
Aeon $420 Name Jackey:
Michael Mishkin: Yes i think you did but it's ok.
Michael Mishkin: Hello are you still there?
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: am here
Michael Mishkin: Ok
Michael Mishkin: I thought that you left me.
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: am here
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: what can we do ?
Michael Mishkin: Do you accept paypal?
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: paypal is a good way. but a pity that chinese account is restricted by paypal company.
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: we only can draw out at most USD200 per month. as you know, each electronics order is much more than USD200.
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: so we can not accept that
Michael Mishkin: Why can you only take out 200 bucks?
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: i dont know
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: paypal company want to do
Michael Mishkin: What do you have under $200?
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: so it is very difficult for us
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: yes
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: maybe we can accept
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: all our customer can accept t/t
Michael Mishkin: So i can pay you with paypal?
Michael Mishkin: Is that ok?
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: which products do you wnat to order
Michael Mishkin: Let me check and i will let you know ok?
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: it is paity
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: pity
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: we have not paypal account
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: because we never use it
Aeon $420 Name Jackey:
Michael Mishkin: Well you can open an account in minutes.
Michael Mishkin: And recieve my $200 bucks.
Michael Mishkin: Wouldn't you like that?
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: sorry
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: we dont like it
Michael Mishkin: You don't like what? The money?
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: i like good money
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: why you insist on using paypal
Aeon $420 Name Jackey:
Michael Mishkin: You told me that the paypal don't let you get more then $200 buck a month, how did you know that if you don't have an account?
Michael Mishkin: Here is question for you.
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: before we have account
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: but it bring us many difficult things
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: last year
Michael Mishkin: Tell me, like what?
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: one of our customer pay for 2000usd for our prodcuts
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: by paypal
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: but we get the money for 4 months
Aeon $420 Name Jackey:
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: so we accept that lesson dont accept paypal
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: so hope you can understand our real situation
Michael Mishkin: Don't cry, i'm not planning on sending you 2000 buck just $200.
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: i cry because of taking for along time
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: so hope you can understand our situation
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: because that thing
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: we start to use t/t
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: are you there
Michael Mishkin: one sec
Michael Mishkin: Look my friend, i sell electronics and if a customer asked me if he could pay me by paypal just the first time to check and see how good my company is. I would say ofcouse you can and open an acount at paypal right away, knowing that this customer is going to be back and maybe will be spending thousands of dollars at my store next time. And probably wouldn't have to use paypal no more sice the custormer already trust you. You see what i'm saying?
Michael Mishkin: Tell me if i'm wrong.

Putian Junnuo Shoes & Clothes Trade Co., Ltd.Putian Junnuo Shoes & Clothes Trade Co., Ltd.




Putian Junnuo Shoes & Clothes Trade Co., Ltd.

[MishaRus]

The rest, the best part.

Michael Mishkin: Tell me if i'm wrong.
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: what do you want to say ?
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: my friend
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: i can read your word but not understanding your meaning
Aeon $420 Name Jackey:
Michael Mishkin: I'm sorry i don't think i can speak any clearer then that.
Michael Mishkin: My point is.
Michael Mishkin: You should open an account at paypal and let me buy something from you, so i can see that you are a good company and that i can trust you.
Michael Mishkin: It's not hard to do.
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: sorry
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: but we will think of it
Michael Mishkin: But you think of it what?
Michael Mishkin: Hello?
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: now we can not open thta
Michael Mishkin: What?
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: now we can not open paypal account
Michael Mishkin: Why not?
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: because our customer can accept our payment method
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: so we dont need that
Michael Mishkin: Then it's not that you cannot open an account it's just that you don't want too, right?
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: now we can do business with our payment method
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: except you all customer can accept t/t
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: we can not open it in order to do business with you
Michael Mishkin: Well that is too bad to hear.
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: i am sorry
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: to that
Michael Mishkin: No i'm sorry that you can't get my money.
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: dont worry
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: we have many customer
Michael Mishkin: Good for you.
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: thank you
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: yesterday our got 10pcs order from dubai
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: about aeon
Aeon $420 Name Jackey:
Michael Mishkin: I thought that they were made in china?
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: yes
Michael Mishkin: So now they manufacture then in DUBAI
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: i told you before
Michael Mishkin: Oh you got and order
Michael Mishkin: I see
Michael Mishkin: How much you sold the ten of them for?
Michael Mishkin: Tell me quick
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: 450usd/pcs
Michael Mishkin: And yestarday you were telling me $420 for a sample?
Michael Mishkin: That doesn't sound right
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: but they can accept
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: they tell me their city have many oil
Aeon $420 Name Jackey:
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: and hope they can use it the first person in dubai
Michael Mishkin: Can you give me the shipping number for that order?
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: go where?
Michael Mishkin: Can you give me the tracking number for that order? You told me that you can give me some tracking numbers.
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: ok
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: maybe can give you new tracking
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: the goods is on newyork way
Michael Mishkin: Can you give me the tracking number
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: ok
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: ea944186100cn
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: http://www.ems.com.cn/english-main.jsp
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: this is website
Michael Mishkin: Sorry wrong number.
Michael Mishkin: One too many numbers
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: EA926701915CN try this
Michael Mishkin: That is a different shipping to U.S.
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: yes
Michael Mishkin: And it wasn't yestarday it was like 7 days ago
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: EA944186100CN






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Michael Mishkin: What is that?
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: you dont misunderstand my mean
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: i just accept order yesterday
Michael Mishkin: All i'm asking is the tracking number for the phones you sold to Dubai yestarday.
Michael Mishkin: Is it that hard to do.
Michael Mishkin: The right tracking number
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: we just accept order from dubai
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: they have paid for it
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: but we must check it
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: then we wil arrange shippment
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: and give them tracking number
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: you misunderstand my meaning
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: my friend
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: i have explained it for you
Michael Mishkin: Ok when are you going to send this order out
Michael Mishkin: Can you tell me that?
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: tomorrow or next tomorrow
Michael Mishkin: Ok can i get that tracking number then?
Michael Mishkin: Please
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: ok
Michael Mishkin: Great.
Michael Mishkin: Thank you.
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: if you need i can give
Michael Mishkin: I'll be back in a little.
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: prove we do business with our honest
Michael Mishkin(Request Read Receipt): I'm back
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: see you again
Michael Mishkin: Ok
Michael Mishkin: You said you can prove that you do a legitimate business?
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: i mean through tracking number
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: it can prove we send the goods to our customer
Michael Mishkin: Is there any other way?
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: which one do you want to?
Michael Mishkin: For now how about a photocopy of business license, tax license, export license. Can you provide me whith that?
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: you know we are copy
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: so can not supply it
Michael Mishkin: What is that supposed to mean?
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: ok my freind
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: see you
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: i think we can not do business with you
Aeon $420 Name Jackey:
Michael Mishkin: I don't think so either you fake.
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: i dont want to waste each other time
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: we are fake
Michael Mishkin: Well you wasted a hole buch of my time already
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: we are copy prodcuts
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: 88
Michael Mishkin: I don't understand your english too well.
Michael Mishkin: Sorry
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: if you need we can go on tomorrow
Michael Mishkin: Ha-Ha you are hilarious!!!
Michael Mishkin:
Aeon $420 Name Jackey:
Michael Mishkin: I'm glad you told me that you are fake.
Michael Mishkin: You could have told me that before.
Michael Mishkin: So we both don't waste our time
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: prodcuts is copy
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: not me
Michael Mishkin: So what is that supposed to mean?
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: bye
Michael Mishkin: You still need an export license to send them to me.
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: maybe
Michael Mishkin: Not Maybe!!! for sure.
Aeon $420 Name Jackey: we have our channel
Michael Mishkin: HA

Tell me guys what you think about this? The guy got tired of talking to me and told me that he's fake.

[canada]

Scam,stay away!

Scott

[MishaRus]

Well it's a scam alright, i know that much. These guys are retarded and they don't know much. It's pretty easy to find out just by talking to them. Usually they are really friendly and are willing to talk to you for as long as you need them to, like they don't even have anything to do besides talking to you ( and they don't because it's their job). Some of them are always trying to give you some EMS tracking numbers to prove to you that they are legit, when you tell them that the tracking numbers are really don't mean anything and ask them for some other proof, like business license and export license they start making up all kinds of sh...t, at the end a lot of them will pretend that they don't understand you and that their English has suddenly got worse and that they have to go to sleep or some other b..sh...t. Some just say to your face; sorry but i don't think we can do business with you ( and that just amazes me, what kind of business is that?). Anyway, pretty much all of those companies that a talked to on Alibaba are Gold Suppliers with a Trust Pass ( like that means something) so i really wish that somebody could make a list of real company's or fake ones, that would help people a lot.

By the way Canada, thank you for your suggestion to stay away but only a retard would send them some money after reading that transcript. I just wanted to give you guys another example.

[tonza71]

You guys are onna love this one. It's from a guy who is a supplier on EC21.com. Have a laugh!!!

[Notice]
(Mike Chi) has been added to the conversation.
Tony Becvarovski
hi mike
Mike Chi
HELLO
Mike Chi
SORRY FOR MY LATE ARRIVAL
Mike Chi
ARE YOU THERE?
Tony Becvarovski
that's ok
Tony Becvarovski
I was interested in getting a price for the PS3 and if it is the original PAL version 60Gb?
Mike Chi
CAN I HELP YOU
Mike Chi
MY MSN:kingdutrade3@hotmail.com can we chat with msn?ok?
Tony Becvarovski
why can't we chat here>?
Mike Chi
because ec messenger can not keep our communiocation his tory
Mike Chi
so it is beter to use msn
Mike Chi
do you think so
Tony Becvarovski
yes it can, you just have to save the chat log
Tony Becvarovski
I've been doing it for quite some time now
Tony Becvarovski
hello?
Tony Becvarovski
have I scared you off?
Mike Chi
hello
Mike Chi
now i must go to sing music in a hotel
Mike Chi
may i know yor msn?
Mike Chi
ok
Tony Becvarovski
oh so you would rather sing than to give me a price
Tony Becvarovski
I can see your business is great...NOT
Mike Chi
yes
Mike Chi
i am a great business man
Mike Chi
but now i am busy,
Mike Chi
can you give me your msn
Tony Becvarovski
too busy to give a price eh?
Mike Chi
then i will chat with youkate
Tony Becvarovski
no I want the price here
Mike Chi
350$pcsa
Mike Chi
350$
Mike Chi
60gb
Tony Becvarovski
thankyou
Tony Becvarovski
is it original?
Mike Chi
including shipping fee
Mike Chi
yes
Mike Chi
i am busy
Mike Chi
i must go now
Tony Becvarovski
does it come with wireless controller?
Mike Chi
later to revert to you
Mike Chi
yes
Mike Chi
bye
Tony Becvarovski
well you just lost a sale
Tony Becvarovski
bye

[Amrit Saini]

Mike Chi is a pathetic businessman.

What a complete idiot.

People like that shouldn't be allowed to do business.

[incommunicado]

This is just to warn honest and decent traders out there to watch out for unscrupulous characters in China who advertise cheap laptops for sale. One company i came accross is Huabu Trading Company, Fujian who offered to sell me Dell XPS computers at rock bottom prices.

I paid the money through western union to a miss Lin jianyang and was assured the goods will reach me in 3-5working days via EMS. Anyway, 5days passed and i was told they were unable to ship to me as they were having problems with customs which sounded quite weird at the time. Anyway James (sales rep of the company) offered to ship out the following week and thankfully this was done as promised though not after many emails (phone is non existent as the guy on the other line does not speak a word of english) then i was given a tracking number so i can monitor progress on the web.

To cut a long story short, goods did not reach UK for 2weeks and when it finally arrive i was sent laptops that are not fit for scrap. They were compaq armadas and Hitachi pentium 1. 4 in total and has cost me 1750usd.

For your information Huabu Trading Company is a gold member on www.alibaba.com so please stay away from them. They manufacture shoes and sports wear (so they claim) and how that is even related to computers i dont know. The company website is www.intowto.com and you can find more information about them. Secondly the company work odd hours mostly when chinese people are asleep. They have reps called James,AMY, JAde, jane and Alex and i was told the owner of the business is called Henry. He is the guy who advertised on alibaba.

Now am out of 1750 dollars and have computers i cant sell. I was given a number +86 139 507 81523 which is a mobile number.

I think its time we do something about these crooks and i welcome suggestions from anyone on how to deal with these criminals. Its about time we put a stop to this.

[Anthony]

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