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Old 31-07-2008, 05:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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My Two Yuan on China and Supplier Verification


China is the world's leading manufacturer of consumer goods, with a large pool of cheap labour. The average worker earns a mere £1000 a year. Many factory workers will earn much less.

Similar to Indian this has encouraged many Chinese, to be entrepreneurial making their money by working hard and by offering cheap, good-quality goods to the Western World.

99% of the world's top Brand names will have providers in China. Many British companies have had to close their factory doors - they just can't compete with the cheap labour China provides.
However, there is a price to pay. For every successful businessman, there is a 'Scammer'.

China has more scammers than any other country in the world. China is a vast country; and it is very people to hide their indentity and become anonymous.

Scammers tend to be very cunning. They will lure in potential customers offering cheap Brand name goods. Many consumers are greedy; if they see a good deal, they will pounce upon it. They will play on the greed of the consumer and offer a certain product at a 'great' price. They may also tell the customer that the 'offer' ends very soon. This puts a subtle pressure on the consumer - they will feel compelled to buy the product.
The Scammer will encourage the customer to pay via Western Union; as it is very hard to track money via Western Union.Once the customer has paid his money, he will never here from the scammer again. He will disappear and do 'business' under another name. In many respects, he is completely untouchable.

Having a reputation for the manufacture of products is both a blessing and a curse for China. Consumers think ''Oh, the Iphone is made in China, so surely I can contact the manufacturer and buy them direct at a very cheap price ?''. This is a popular misconception. The reality is, you cannot buy branded goods from China.

Ask yourself - ''Do you think Sony would allow some dodgy bloke to sell their products for half the legitimate value ? Do you think they would trust a small wholesaler in China to distribute their products to consumers ?'' In short, no.

To buy Branded goods at wholesale prices, you must contact an authorised distributor of the products you're after.


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Finding potential suppliers is relatively easy these days. You have hundreds of suppliers at your fingertips in the form of the Internet. Alibaba.com, Made-In-China.com, and Globalsources.com are three of the largest B2B (Business-to-Business) sites.
Alibaba is the biggest; Globalsources is the safest.

For example you were looking to buy 100,000 drinking straws, you would undertake the following steps.

To begin with, you would visit one of the B2B sites as shown above, and type drinking straws into the searchbox. (There are, at present 639 suppliers offering drinking straws on Alibaba.) From there, you would browse through the suppliers and make a decision as to which suppliers are best for you (N.B. The vast majority of suppliers will not quote the actual price of the products they're selling in the listing; you will have to contact them to receive a quote).

It is best to contact several different suppliers, and decide which one you wish to deal with after they provide a quotation.

The next step, is to undertake relative checks on the suppliers. This can be progressed in several different ways. If you were searching for (verified) suppliers on Globalsources, the checks you would have to do would be minimal. The great thing about Globalsources is that all the checks are done for you. Unfortunately, this means that Globalsources doesn't have the same volume of suppliers as Alibaba.

If you were buying through Alibaba or Made-In-China, there are several checks I would recommend:

You should cross-reference the details given on the page. If they have a website, this is relatively easy. You just enter the webpage name into a Whois site and see if it matches the address given on the website. If it doesn't match, I would advise you to terminate any possible dealings with the company. An example of a Whois site would be raynette.fr.

Ask for proof of stock photos (with a picture of todays Newspaper and your name on a piece of card). You have to be careful though; these can potentially be faked.

You can also ask for references from other buyers. Always speak to the 'referees' via the phone, as email addresses are not always reliable.

You can send a 'scout' to view their factory. This service is offered by Cbeebies (a member here). You would send her a small fee and she would send somebody out to check the factory and the legitimacy of the supplier.

You can potentially visit China and view the factory for yourself. I would advise you only do this if it is a very profitable product, and if you wish to have an on-going supply.

If you are still worried; create a thread on the forum questioning the legitimacy of the supplier. There are some members who could advise you as to whether the company is legitimate or not. Canada (Scott) for one is a budding detective . !!!

Above all, you have to use your common sense. If something doesn't seem right, it's to best move on. If something looks too good to be true, it probably is.

China offers vast potential if used properly. Use it to your advantage, and you can make a lot of money.

Good luck, and remember my golden rule: ''You cannot buy Branded goods from China''.
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Good post!
Importing branded goods would be very risky without the authorization. Cargo shall be suspended once container requiring customs examination and the importer will get a penalty as well.

For unbranded goods importation it would be a high profit margin if sourcing the right product at the right price

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You can't actually import branded goods from China. Branded goods may be made in China, but it doesn't mean and I can fly out and buy a container full of them.
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You can do a LCL(less than container load) instead of a Full Container Load or ship out goods by express courier for small orders.
As I know, manufacturers in China are prohibited to sale branded goods other than authorized parties. But all inferior products were sold to their employees and in domestic market privately...
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You can do a LCL(less than container load) instead of a Full Container Load or ship out goods by express courier for small orders.
As I know, manufacturers in China are prohibited to sale branded goods other than authorized parties. But all inferior products were sold to their employees and in domestic market privately...
My point is that you literally can't buy branded goods from China. Not that they're difficult to ship...
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You can also ask for references from other buyers. Always speak to the 'referees' via the phone, as email addresses are not always reliable.

You can send a 'scout' to view their factory. This service is offered by Cbeebies (a member here). You would send her a small fee and she would send somebody out to check the factory and the legitimacy of the supplier.

You can potentially visit China and view the factory for yourself. I would advise you only do this if it is a very profitable product, and if you wish to have an on-going supply.

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Actually, if you are planning to do business in China (without paying directly or indirectly via an extensive and costly learning curve) I would say these are really the only three options.

Having someone independently perform a factory inspection is invaluable as in China, NOTHING is as it appears to be. The smartly dressed, English speaking guy in the business suite may in fact just be a middleman and the poorly dressed, no sense of style, non-english speaking older gentleman (who looks like he could not run a shoeshine stand) may be more likely to be the China factory owner and the one in charge. Again, in China, nothing is as it often appears to be - or better yet, it all makes perfect sense, just not when viewed and assessed through using western criteria.

An external outside individual (who is qualified and familiar with the environment and industry) can often provided a much clearer picture especially if they can communicate clearly to you the situation on the ground and help you look beneath the surface. You must be careful though with this, as sometimes you may also be creating your own middleman, who will then just both make a good recommendation AND collect a finders fee from the factory. Also, if the person is local Chinese then be extra cautious as they may not fully understand your expectations. (We don't understand them very well, why should they understand us any better?) Something they think is ok, may be completely unacceptable to you. Be clear in what your needs are.

Visiting China yourself is also a good idea - especially if you are one of those "its just like it is back home" types. It IS just like back home, except its just back home 100 or or more years ago, with less guns, but even looser ethics.

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Hi!

Thanks for the very comprehensive thread.

As a Global Sources employee, I thought I might weigh in on the meaning of "verification", which is one of the company's selling points. I'm just explaining it factually, and not implying which sourcing portal is better.

The "verification" system involves having Global Sources researchers visit supplier factories three times - to make sure they really exist. We also double-check their business details, like business registration, license to export, management records and financial health. We also ensure all products listed by "verified suppliers" do not infringe intellectual property rights.

Verified suppliers are rated by a "six-star" system - the more info a supplier submits for review, the more stars he gets. Higher star suppliers get a supplier capability assessment from Bureau Veritas.

Another note with regard to supplier listing size - we do have an "unverified suppliers" section, where anyone can list their products for sale. This section has as much size and content as all our competitors.

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great information thank you and accurate. The funniest thing about them is the all say the manufacture them which is a lie to they just get them off a supplier like you and me. It took me 2 years to find a reliable supplier from china.
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