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[greedyboy]

So the crux of it is because ebay works so well and there is no where else as good to sell they should lower their fees and not increase them.

Anyway I am glad you can see partially where I am coming from but this debate is just going around in circles.

I'll leave it where I started:

Still no one has mentioned the value ebay gives? Only the same old wingers 'oh the fees are too high, I can't wait for google to wipe them off the planet'. God forbid you actually sell something that actually makes decent money and makes the fees look laughable?

[ADC]

Originally Posted by greedyboy

So the crux of it is because ebay works so well and there is no where else as good to sell they should lower their fees and not increase them.

Anyway I am glad you can see partially where I am coming from but this debate is just going around in circles.

I'll leave it where I started:

Still no one has mentioned the value ebay gives? Only the same old wingers 'oh the fees are too high, I can't wait for google to wipe them off the planet'. God forbid you actually sell something that actually makes decent money and makes the fees look laughable?

I think i covered the point about ebay value in the last post:-

"I see the point you are trying to make but they can't say in one breath that ebay are giving amazing value for our fees, spending seller fees on all these other things to promote our auctions and then in the next breath saying they are making $5 billion or whatever. Because from the figures it is obvious that even though they are probably doing everything possible to promote our auctions it is still only a small percentage of the seller fees. So therefore the fees could be reduced. But we all know that won't happen because ebay have no competition."

[greedyboy]

Jeez ebay are a business and they deliver customers to your door (so to speak).

What they do with their money is their business.

How they run their business is their business.

The same with any business. Ebay answer to their shareholders not to me and you. They are in business to make money year on year and not reduce profits year on year. This is the fundamentals ebay bashers can not grasp despite being so called business men or women.

It's not their fault they are so successful and you choose not to sell using the 1000's of other marketplaces out there. It's not their fault that no one has the balls to challenge their position. When someone does your prayers will be answered. Until then, either put up or shut up.

Ebat is just a slice of a very large pie. The sooner you understand that the sooner you can run your business and end your sleepless nights worrying that ebay are only spending x amount of their revenue on bloody advertising!!!!

You agree they bring in business for you and you can't expect them to work for nothing. So either sell on there and pay the fees or use another venue.

That is the simple solution.

[ADC]

Originally Posted by greedyboy

Jeez ebay are a business and they deliver customers to your door (so to speak).

What they do with their money is their business.

How they run their business is their business.

The same with any business. Ebay answer to their shareholders not to me and you. They are in business to make money year on year and not reduce profits year on year. This is the fundamentals ebay bashers can not grasp despite being so called business men or women.

It's not their fault they are so successful and you choose not to sell using the 1000's of other marketplaces out there. It's not their fault that no one has the balls to challenge their position. When someone does your prayers will be answered. Until then, either put up or shut up.

Ebat is just a slice of a very large pie. The sooner you understand that the sooner you can run your business and end your sleepless nights worrying that ebay are only spending x amount of their revenue on bloody advertising!!!!

You agree they bring in business for you and you can't expect them to work for nothing. So either sell on there and pay the fees or use another venue.

That is the simple solution.

Your going off the point of the thread again. It's not what ebay are going to do about it. We know they won't do anything about the seller fees just as you, me or anyone else wouldn't do anything about it if it was our company. Why should they reduce the seller fees, when there is no reason to when they aren't losing any customers.

The point of the thread is that the UK goverment should step in and do something about a company which is far too dominant in the online marketplace.

[greedyboy]

Originally Posted by ADC

The point of the thread is that the UK goverment should step in and do something about a company which is far too dominant in the online marketplace.

In your opinion. But your opinion is wrong again otherwise something would have been done about it.

[FiveStarWholesale]

I'll say it one more time, eBay IS NOT A MONOPLOY!!!!!

It may be treading the line with it's Paypal only action but eBay itself it not a monopoly! If you guys think it is you need to check the meaning of Monopoly!

You can't define 'Online Auctions' as one market, as it's far too narrow. From what I can see the people spouting 'Monopoly' are the ones unhappy with the fees. If you divide the fees by the traffic they bring you'll see that they are the best value for money around, for smaller businesses anyway.

The shopping centre is a prime example to compare to your arguement - Rents are high in the shopping centre (eBay) because they bring the customers, and there is normally only one per city. If a retailer can't afford it they move to somewhere cheaper, like the secondary high street (Tazbar, eBid), where traffic is lower. They might moan about the high rents for a bit but they get on with it. Would you expect the government to get involved here?

You can't compare eBay to Microsoft in terms of fees, as they are completely different. I'd suggest that the moaners spend a little less time wining and a bit more time developing their businesses elsewhere.

[FiveStarWholesale]

Originally Posted by connell83

Anyway the whole point is, ebay is anti-competitive

How is eBay anti-competitive? Do you know what this actually means? eBay has made a strategic move with Paypal, which may fall foul of Anti-Competitive Laws, but that doesn't make the whole business Anti-Competitive.

eBay hasn't prevented other rival sites from taking off. It's simply developed it's business in such a way that the majority of it's users don't want to go else where.

[greedyboy]

Don't waste your breath, it's like banging your head a against a brick wall.

[ADC]

Originally Posted by FiveStarWholesale

I'll say it one more time, eBay IS NOT A MONOPLOY!!!!!

It may be treading the line with it's Paypal only action but eBay itself it not a monopoly! If you guys think it is you need to check the meaning of Monopoly!

You can't define 'Online Auctions' as one market, as it's far too narrow. From what I can see the people spouting 'Monopoly' are the ones unhappy with the fees. If you divide the fees by the traffic they bring you'll see that they are the best value for money around, for smaller businesses anyway.

The shopping centre is a prime example to compare to your arguement - Rents are high in the shopping centre (eBay) because they bring the customers, and there is normally only one per city. If a retailer can't afford it they move to somewhere cheaper, like the secondary high street (Tazbar, eBid), where traffic is lower. They might moan about the high rents for a bit but they get on with it. Would you expect the government to get involved here?

You can't compare eBay to Microsoft in terms of fees, as they are completely different. I'd suggest that the moaners spend a little less time wining and a bit more time developing their businesses elsewhere.

I already corrected myself earlier on in the thread about it being a monopoly. You're right it's not. But it is far too dominant.

Going off the shopping centre example then. Would the goverment accept it if it were the same owners for every major shopping centre in every town & city in the world? I think not. What would happen if the owners of these shopping centres decided that every time something was put on display the shop owners would be charged 85p whether that item sold or not? What if the owners of these shopping centres decided that they were only going to allow one method of payment? say there own credit card. Then charge the shop owners 1.9 - 3.4% of each transaction. Then because of this all the shop owners had to raise their prices to pay for these extortionate fees. I think there would be a national outcry don't you?

[lighthousedirec]

Simple fact is most people have a love hate relationship with ebay, they love the sales and profit, they hate the fees.

Personally I do not object to the ebay fees, it is simply the deliberate methods of getting rid of some of their customers, the "sellers", that I dislike.

It would have been much simpler and straight forward to introduce a monthly minimum fee to rid themselves of a lot of the TAT sellers, than this long drawn out business of DSR's etc.

Anyway, as many have said,in their position I would be charging as much as I could to make as much as I could, thats business, not their fault no other meeting place has risen to their level, nothing out here to stop i from happening.

Sooner people look for sales elsewhere to at least spread their rsk the better, I will stay on ebay for the moment since it makes me good money, but thn again, so does my website and Amazon and other methods, ebay should be just one string to any sellers bow, nott he only one.

The quicker this happens the quicker ebay will respond, whilst people moan and just keep listing why would they change? Personally I reckon the old ebay has gone, to be replaced shortly by a near clone of Amazon, this current ebay is the baby and it's going to grow up very fast in the next year or two, one reason for some many changes recently.