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[ADC]

Originally Posted by greedyboy

In your opinion. But your opinion is wrong again otherwise something would have been done about it.

You may disagree with my opinion, as i disagree with yours, but it doesn't mean you are right and I am wrong. They are opinions and we are both entitled to them. I think something will be done about it eventually. But it would be better sooner rather than later.

[greedyboy]

That is where you are wrong. My comments are FACT and backed up by facts. Yours comments are an opinion.

[ADC]

Originally Posted by greedyboy

That is where you are wrong. My comments are FACT and backed up by facts. Yours comments are an opinion.

I will disagree again. You think ebay isn't too dominant and they are OK to carry on as they are. I think they are too dominant and shouldn't be allowed to carry on as they are. Those are both opinions which we have discussed. Exactly what this forum is all about.

[greedyboy]

That is where you are wrong yet again. Ebay is only too dominant in your opinion. The FACT is, it is not true, as they would have been investigated by OFT if this was the case.

[ADC]

Originally Posted by greedyboy

That is where you are wrong yet again. Ebay is only too dominant in your opinion. The FACT is that it is not true, as they would have been investigated by OFT if this was the case.

Have the OFT ever investigated any other online dominant retailer? Not as far as I am aware. They don't seem to bother with the internet, they just let everyone do their own thing. However they would interfere on the high street if someone like Walmart tried to buy Tesco. Which is the point of the whole argument.

[greedyboy]

You are living in cloud cookoo land!

Have the OFT ever investigated any other online dominant retailer?

Such as who? There are none!

[FiveStarWholesale]

Originally Posted by ADC

Going off the shopping centre example then. Would the goverment accept it if it were the same owners for every major shopping centre in every town & city in the world? I think not. What would happen if the owners of these shopping centres decided that every time something was put on display the shop owners would be charged 85p whether that item sold or not? What if the owners of these shopping centres decided that they were only going to allow one method of payment? say there own credit card. Then charge the shop owners 1.9 - 3.4% of each transaction. Then because of this all the shop owners had to raise their prices to pay for these extortionate fees. I think there would be a national outcry don't you?

The Government wouldn't do anything if one comapany owned all of the Shopping Centres in the country! What could/would they do? If they put stupid charges ontop of rent then customers would go else where, which is what people would do if they felt eBay fees were too high, and obviously some do.

On a side note, do you know what retailers pay to process Credit Cards? Next time you buy with a card at a national chain check what it says at the bottom, then compare that figure to Paypal. You'll then see that there is not much difference.

[ADC]

Originally Posted by FiveStarWholesale

The Government wouldn't do anything if one comapany owned all of the Shopping Centres in the country! What could/would they do? If they put stupid charges ontop of rent then customers would go else where, which is what people would do if they felt eBay fees were too high, and obviously some do.

On a side note, do you know what retailers pay to process Credit Cards? Next time you buy with a card at a national chain check what it says at the bottom, then compare that figure to Paypal. You'll then see that there is not much difference.

I think they would investigate it? Can I ask you a question why does the UK have a competition commission?

Yes I am well aware that paypal fees are competitive. But they shouldn't be allowed to be the only payment provide on ebay.

[ADC]

Originally Posted by greedyboy

You are living in cloud cookoo land!



Such as who? There are none!

Exactly, there is only one. Ebay and they haven't investigated them because they don't bother with the internet. They are only concerned with high street stores. So what I am saying is that the government should treat online shopping the same as they would the high street, and not let one player get too dominant, because it's a bad deal for the public.

Can you only see things from a business point of view? Can't you see that from a joe public point of view that healthy competition is needed in every marketplace?

[FiveStarWholesale]

[quote=ADC;157243]Can I ask you a question why does the UK have a competition commission?
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The Competition Commission is in place to rule over anti-competitive business practice, not to listen to a bunch of moaners complain about eBay Fees!

In all seriousness, you are entitled to your opinion. The problem lies with people moaning about eBay but not putting any fact to back it up. You are saying eBay is anti-competitive but I've not seen one sentance that justifies this, apart from the 'Paypal Only' issue.

People moan about the fees and say they are unfair, but give now facts to show they are unfair. I'll say it again, if you divide the fees you pay by the visitors they achieve, you won't find many, if any, better options available.

Don't get me wrong, I think eBay have made some big mistakes recently, but as business people you need to look at it from their prospective.

Paypal Only = Customers are driven away from eBay because of fraud, which in the majority occurs when they pay using another payment method.

No Seller Negitaves = Newer customers tend to be scared away from eBay when they get a negitave, so eBay have withdrawn the ability for sellers to do this.

Tighter Controls on Sellers = Again, if a new eBay buyer has a poor 1st experience because of a seller who offers poor service, they tend not to come back - by penilising the poorer sellers, customers are more likely to buy from better ones, and will keep using eBay.

Again, I'm not saying I agree with the above, but people need to look at it from eBay's perspective.

Back to the 'Moaners', alot of them come from people who simply can't find anything to sell that has a fair margain. Because of this they look at eBay's fees and blame that. People need to look in the mirror, look at their business and decide if it's viable. People seem to think it's their God given right to be able to make money on eBay, it's not! It's a business platform just like the High Street, and businesses fail there every day!