Originally Posted by Anthony

Do you run a business yourself? A business that seeks a profit that is.

yes. why?

Originally Posted by ADC

yes. why?

I see. I was just curious as to why you couldn't see the value proposition for an organisation like Louis Vuitton. They are selling a premium product, therefore charge a premium price. Their product isn't for everyone, just like 50ft yachts aren't, therefore why should it be made available to those who cannot afford it for a fraction of the price?

In effect, what you are saying is that we should support the counterfeit trade by claiming premium goods should all be priced on a level, which is obviously absurd.

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Originally Posted by Anthony

I see. I was just curious as to why you couldn't see the value proposition for an organisation like Louis Vuitton. They are selling a premium product, therefore charge a premium price. Their product isn't for everyone, just like 50ft yachts aren't, therefore why should it be made available to those who cannot afford it for a fraction of the price?

In effect, what you are saying is that we should support the counterfeit trade by claiming premium goods should all be priced on a level, which is obviously absurd.

I can totally see it from Louis Vuittons point of view. Just not anyone else's. If it were allowed they'd be forced to reduce their prices which is better for the general public. Just because someone comes up with a good design or idea they shouldn't have all the rights on it forever and be able to charge what they want. Otherwise we would only have 1 brand of televison, 1 brand of motor car etc.

wow adc, im goign to assure you right now that i wont be employing you in ym new business if thats your attitude towards fraud in busienss and company issues.


ebay is the issue becuase ebay wont admit they are not doign enough to solve the issue of sold or advertised fake goods, this was well reported via watchdog few months back and still goes on.

i believe it is said that if you are aware that it happens and you allow it to happen in your busienss, you are as much to blame as the seller advertising and sellign the items.

Originally Posted by MathewLisett

wow adc, im goign to assure you right now that i wont be employing you in ym new business if thats your attitude towards fraud in busienss and company issues.


ebay is the issue becuase ebay wont admit they are not doign enough to solve the issue of sold or advertised fake goods, this was well reported via watchdog few months back and still goes on.

i believe it is said that if you are aware that it happens and you allow it to happen in your busienss, you are as much to blame as the seller advertising and sellign the items.

Er, i don't think i really want to work for you anyway. Quite happy with my own business thanks.

And just to clear it up I don't sell fake items in my business because it's against the law. That doesn't mean that I have to agree with the law.

I would allow a designer exclusive rights on a product for 12 months. Then it would be open for anyone to sell that design. Also it would be against the law to mislead anyone in to thinking it is made by the manufacturer. e.eg. you would have to say this is a fake Louis Vuitton handbag.

As a wider issue what are products like this doing for society anyway. Women don't buy them because they are more practical or much better quality than any other handbag. They buy them because it's a fashion statement that says ' I'm rich and successful and I can afford to waste £1000 on this handbag' So good on the Chinese for allowing any woman to afford one and taking the snobbery out of our society.

Originally Posted by ADC

Er, i don't think i really want to work for you anyway. Quite happy with my own business thanks.

And just to clear it up I don't sell fake items in my business because it's against the law. That doesn't mean that I have to agree with the law.

I would allow a designer exclusive rights on a product for 12 months. Then it would be open for anyone to sell that design. Also it would be against the law to mislead anyone in to thinking it is made by the manufacturer. e.eg. you would have to say this is a fake Louis Vuitton handbag.

As a wider issue what are products like this doing for society anyway. Women don't buy them because they are more practical or much better quality than any other handbag. They buy them because it's a fashion statement that says ' I'm rich and successful and I can afford to waste £1000 on this handbag' So good on the Chinese for allowing any woman to afford one and taking the snobbery out of our society.

An anticapitalist businessman?

Bascially Ebay is like the markets you find in Asia full of dodgy goods - hopefully this is just the start of the fines and there will be more. Wait til the American Lawyers really start on it, Ebay will have no choice but to stop the illegal sellers.

WOW... some interesting and conflicting thoughts on this topic.... nothing like a good exchange of ideas and ideals to get a discussion going... so here are mine.
I dont imagine the chinese copy expensive lines to allow poor women to buy what rich women buy I think perhaps they do it to make money so they can [if they wish to] buy the expensive items for themselves. If we all followed this route bill gates would not be as rich as he is and would not be able to retire and dedicate his billions to charity work. [yeh right]
I think ebay [not my favourit word] deserve what they get, and more. If you sell fakes or allow fakes to be sold you run the risk of a good slap from whichever authority you have irritated, be it police, trading standards, C&E or whoever.
If any of you could increase the price of your product and people paid it without question would you drop it again? or raise it again?
The old saying that encapsulates communism is "everyone is equal" but as george orwell indicated "some are more equal that others" . There isnt so much a culture of snobbery as a divide between those who have and the have not's and businesses are built by those who have not because they want to have or at least want to have more.

Originally Posted by geosamm

WOW... some interesting and conflicting thoughts on this topic.... nothing like a good exchange of ideas and ideals to get a discussion going... so here are mine.
I dont imagine the chinese copy expensive lines to allow poor women to buy what rich women buy I think perhaps they do it to make money so they can [if they wish to] buy the expensive items for themselves. If we all followed this route bill gates would not be as rich as he is and would not be able to retire and dedicate his billions to charity work. [yeh right]
I think ebay [not my favourit word] deserve what they get, and more. If you sell fakes or allow fakes to be sold you run the risk of a good slap from whichever authority you have irritated, be it police, trading standards, C&E or whoever.
If any of you could increase the price of your product and people paid it without question would you drop it again? or raise it again?
The old saying that encapsulates communism is "everyone is equal" but as george orwell indicated "some are more equal that others" . There isnt so much a culture of snobbery as a divide between those who have and the have not's and businesses are built by those who have not because they want to have or at least want to have more.

I'm not against people wanting more or expensive items, i'm against items being sold for £1000 that can be produced for £20

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Bus...Stoy%2BHayward

You may want to re-think who you employ then, if thats your attitude, I really enjoy so many people being all and mighty, taking the moral ground by the horns, when at the end of the day it is all a load of cods wallop. Im afraid that when push comes to shoove.......

It is illegal to sell fakes, very well, lets all get on our high moral ground again, but firms who say this is wrong, spout a thousand reason why ect ect, ok good, but its not illegal or should i say immoral to pay wages of tupence to kids in india and china to produce these goods that sell on for large amounts, its not immoral to sell tv sets that are out of date and will be useless in a few years time, thats all ok, I dont understand why we rabbit on about right or wrong, morrals ect ect, because at the end of the day nobody follows the law, rules, morals, 100%.