Last week Ebay made some changes in Belgium. New insertion fees, new shops, best match system and I NEED TO ACCEPT PAYPAL :mad: :mad: :mad:

Before you comment know that you can't compare Ebay Uk with Ebay Belgium. In London alone live more people than in entire Belgium. So sellers (I in every case) sell less items but at bigger profits. Only 1 out of 10 people have a credit card. When I go to all the listings on Ebay UK, I see almost everybody accepts PayPal. Untill recently this wasn't the case in Belgium.

As a beginning seller I also accepted PayPal, soon realising only Ebay gets richer from it. One buyer scamming me through PayPal was 1 to many.

Ebay announced there would be changes, but never announced you would be obliged to accept PayPal. Appearently the same thing has happened in Australia where authorities are looking in to it. In the help pages of Ebay is clearly marked you have to accept PayPal when you have a featured shop or a top shop (sorry not sure about the names you use for it in English). They don't mention anything for the basic shop. I did not upgrade my basic shop especially to escape from PayPalfees.

I stopped offering PayPal quite some time ago after somebody tried to scam me and because the more I asked to pay me by bank transfer the more PayPalpayments I received. I stopped offering PayPal. It didn't influence my sales at all and I'm still happy I don't use it any more. It rarely happens somebody aks for it. Even most of my foreign buyers pay me by international bank transfer.

I've made a little calculation. In my best months I sell +- 250 games. At the prices I sell these I have to pay +- € 1,50 PayPalfees. If I count that 1/2 of my customers pays me with PayPal:
125 * € 1,50 = € 187 (+- £ 160) = monthly
187 * 12 = € 2250 (+- £ 1900) = yearly

These are realistic figures. I'll maybe receive less PayPalpayments but for a lot of my items I'll pay +- € 2. As I'm starting as a self employed I hope to make a significant increase of sales. I doubled my sales last your, and hope to do the coming year. I don't even want to thing about it what this will do with my PayPalfees.

This has really pissed me off. I've made a complaint with the biggest consumer organisation and with the ministry of economy today.

When I signed up with Ebay I agreed with their terms. Now they are obliging me to use something without even informing me about it.

According to Ebay they do this to make Ebay a safer place for buyers and sellers. By the end of the month I'll have about 2000 feedbacks. My DRS-ratings for the last 30 days are: 4,95 - 4,98 - 4,97 - 4,86.

So I'm definitely not the seller buyers have to be protected from. I have 1 neutral feedback I received from a non-bidding payer. I have 1 negative that will disappear by the end of the month so if nothing happens I'll be on a 100% feedback.

I can't do anything about it. I have to follow Ebay's rules. Just as in all other countries there are no other decent alternatives to Ebay. We don't even have Amazon. I also sell at 2 other sites, but this is only a small percent of my turnover.

And before you comment "If you're from the mainlaind and you buy in the UK, you're using PayPal yourself to make your payments. So why complain!!!"

Yes this is true. But if you have a good feedback on Ebay I'll be glad to pay you by bank transfer so you escape from your PayPal. But how many of you would accept a payment in €??? It's a strong currency. You could even make a profit out of it when you would exchange it for £ at the right time.

!!!!PAYPAL SUCKS!!!!

Just add € 1,50 to your prices or accept € 1,50 less profit per sale.

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But if you have a good feedback on Ebay I'll be glad to pay you by bank transfer so you escape from your PayPal.

In a way, you have just proved ebays point. YOU like the protection of paypal when it suits you.

Just think it as a service , you need to pay some extra fee for it , then everything is ok !

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Originally Posted by lighthousedirec

In a way, you have just proved ebays point. YOU like the protection of paypal when it suits you.

I never pay with paypal myself unless impossible to do it otherways e.g. payment from € to £. I've made 10 payments today. About half of it I could make by PayPal but I didn't.

Ebay imposes me a service I didn't ask for. If everybody reacts like this I start to realise why Ebay can push their changes so easily. C'mmon people, you pay for something you often don't even need.

For those selling on Ebay you should know it isn't always to raise your prices.

I mentioned it here: MORE changes for eBay sellers! already.

Why make a whole thread about it

Originally Posted by psxgamer

I never pay with paypal myself unless impossible to do it otherways e.g. payment from € to £. I've made 10 payments today. About half of it I could make by PayPal but I didn't.

Ebay imposes me a service I didn't ask for. If everybody reacts like this I start to realise why Ebay can push their changes so easily. C'mmon people, you pay for something you often don't even need.

For those selling on Ebay you should know it isn't always to raise your prices.

Everyone else is in the same boat in Belgium so putting your prices up is not an issue.

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If everybody reacts like this I start to realise why Ebay can push their changes so easily.

You are mad, paypal is the main accepted payment method, if you don't want sales go elsewhere. Personally I reckon it's a bargain for what both you and the buyer get from the deal.

As I started my topic with: IN BELGIUM LOTS OF SELLERS DON'T ACCEPT PAYPAL. In Belgium only a small part of the population owns a credit card. You can make a mony transfer from you bank to PayPal now. But in the past this wasn't possible. So most people weren't even able to use PayPal.

We have banks on every corner of the street. I have access to my bank account via my computer. A service for whick I pay £ 2/month. If I make a bank transfer to an account with the same bank, I'll receive it in a few hours time. If people sent me a screenshot of the payment I sent my items even before I've actually received the payment. I've had international bank transfer which I received within 24 hours.

Read this:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07...tralia_paypal/


"Personally I reckon it's a bargain for what both you and the buyer get from the deal."

For big sellers (I'm not considering myself to be one) this could cost thousands a year. That's no bargain.

The buyer gets a protection. As a seller you have:
* Fees to pay, which you don't have to pay if people pay you with a simple bank transfer
* The risk of fraudelous claims. I've been a victim myself in the past.

Just Google about the situation in Australia. If people were so happy about it, there wouldn't have been so much complaints.

Today Ebay replied to the mail I sent them:
Ebay has reacted to the desire of most traders, and that's why from 9 september on everybody who owns a store is forced to accept PayPal.

Sorry Ebay don't make me laugh, I really can't imagine traders are begging to be forced to pay for extra expenses.

Just take a look at the offers here on the forum. If everybody is so happy with paypal why then almost everybody asks for an extra 3,40% when somebody pays them with PayPal.

I you want to use PayPal, that's none of my business but my whole point is Ebay should not force us to accept it.

Ebay and PayPal are one company. I find it quite normal you pay your Ebayfee when you sell on Ebay. If you want to use PayPal, just the same, every service has it's price. But selles should be free to decide to accept PayPal or not.

In the early days people worked for a few pennies in a factory. They were obliged to buy their food and clothes in the shop of the factory owner who would ask exessive prices. You can't compare it, but in a way it's a bit the same.

Now there will be more sellers accepting PayPal.

Or less sellers.

Think of it as a "coming of age", you are now part of a market large enough to be gouged by eBay. You and your country are "coming up in the world."

Welcome to "our world".

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