Mark, I don't want to bash your thread mate but I think you really need to update your legal info on chipping and the law

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...icle385761.ece

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07..._mod_chip_win/

This is the crux of it

Under the UK's implementation of the European Union Copyright Directive (EUCD), Europe's answer to the controversial US Digital Millennium Copyright Act, it is illegal to bypass copy protection mechanisms



I really don't want to bash your thread mate but I don't want to see you getting into trouble over these.

Hi mate no probs

I remember the Mr Modchips case Neil Higgs was famous as being the second guy they tried to make an example of. There were a few papers (and even the prosecution) that got their facts wrong and Neil was eventually cleared by the UK court of appeals in the summer last year I think (hence the spike in sales for Team Executor etc.). They threw the case out of court.

These arguments refer to Mod Chips, but similarly Firmware flashing is in the spotlight. The problem with the copyright is the actual circumvention of it. However, it is legal to own a backup and play it in a machine. To enable this, you need to modify your box.

Also, the case was thown out because the Judge argued the copyright infringement has already taken place before the modchip is installed - this is the point where you are ALLOWED to do it (if you own the original)

Hope this clears things up - its not the black & whitest of areas

Also - a point to note is this is NOT hardware modification, its just software modification (soft-modding). It voids the warranty on a machine, but is not illegal.

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Last edited by markbyrne; 28-04-2009 at 04:35 PM.

Hi mark you should becareful of stating that the flashed consoles can play imports as far as I know they cannot as the region codes are stored on the actuall motherboard and not the firmware on the dvd drive. If I'm mistaken please let me know

It works, but it really depends on the game and the compatibility(PAL/NTSC).

There are some game lists with all the region free games and the compatibility with US, Asian and European systems.

Originally Posted by markbyrne

Hi mate no probs

I remember the Mr Modchips case Neil Higgs was famous as being the second guy they tried to make an example of. There were a few papers (and even the prosecution) that got their facts wrong and Neil was eventually cleared by the UK court of appeals in the summer last year I think (hence the spike in sales for Team Executor etc.). They threw the case out of court.

These arguments refer to Mod Chips, but similarly Firmware flashing is in the spotlight. The problem with the copyright is the actual circumvention of it. However, it is legal to own a backup and play it in a machine. To enable this, you need to modify your box.

Also, the case was thown out because the Judge argued the copyright infringement has already taken place before the modchip is installed - this is the point where you are ALLOWED to do it (if you own the original)

Hope this clears things up - its not the black & whitest of areas

Also - a point to note is this is NOT hardware modification, its just software modification (soft-modding). It voids the warranty on a machine, but is not illegal.

Ys Mr Modchips was released on appeal but only because of the argument put forwards by the prosecution. The judge clearly stated that if the prosecution had pressed charges based on the fact that information os transferred from disk to physical memory he would have found him guilty. He also stated that further cases could be brought and Microsoft were free to bring a civil case against him.

With relation to soft modding, what you are doing is distributing modified Microsoft code, which is classed as copyright theft. Playing a back up may well be legal but distribution of circumvention devices certainly is not.

Anyway I've said what I felt I should.

Originally Posted by Bonbergol

I can confrim that 1,6 was released few days ago

For those who wont or did not read the xboxhacker thread above, the official release date is set for May 14th, 2009.

how many do you have in stock?

Hi guys,

I have decided that due to this being such a controversial subject, I am going to remove the listing altogether. Anthony has asked me what I know about the legalities, which I have stated in the thread, and is taking advice on whether I should advertise on here with the 360s. However, I think this might be too much of a grey area for TWF, unlike products like R4's etc. I'm taking the initiative and closing the thread The consoles will still be for sale on my new up & coming website (keep watching my sig for info) so don't despair if you still want some!

Thanks all. Any queries relating to 360's, used/refurbished or flashed, please contact me in the usual way.

MODS: Please close thread

Good luck, markbyrne