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[TTTrades]

Hello All,
I have been interjecting my opinion in many of these threads for the past month. I would like to take the opportunity to forewarn other members of a problem I have noticed. I have noticed the company “12Daily Pro” has been advertised through some members. I do not mean this to single out anybody in this Forum. I just want people to be informed. My company has been in the business for years. Do not take my words…. Howard Clark from Clarkhoward.com


12 Daily Pro gets the ax
Last fall, Clark took several calls about a company called “12Daily Pro.” Clark didn’t name the company on the air at the time, but he tried to warn people just he same. And it turns out his warning was right. From 250,000 to 400,000 people put money into this pyramid scheme and got taken, news reports state. 12Daily Pro claimed people would earn a huge return on their money simply by installing an automatic surfing program on their computer. That didn’t happen. Any time you’re asked to put money into an organization in an effort to recruit others, you need to run the other way. The problem with these schemes is that, by the time these companies are found out and prosecuted, the money is gone. There is no way to make the claims stick. Clark wants to draw a distinction. A multi-level marketing association can be legitimate. If the company is really selling a product and believes in the product, it can be okay for you to work there. But if the emphasis is on recruiting people, and the organizers don’t care about whether you sell anything at all, it’s a pyramid scheme.

[xamell]

This news media is doing a follow up: http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/defa...?videoId=36788

Some people in a town are going to send a guy out there to 12dailypros "building" and see whats going on with thier program, apparently a lot of people lost a lot of money because of them.

There going to show live footage from thier next week.

[TheNiceGuyOK]

It's not 12dailypro, it's stormpay. anyone who knows about the whole situation will you tell that.

BTW, no you don't install anything on your computer. I have recieved alot of money from 12dailypro, and once they bounce back from this stormpay thing I will be using 12dailypro again. Stormpay frozen 400,000,000 of 12dailypro's money. You can easily look this up at talkgold.com, wallstreet journal, and just about any news paper has a small article about it. if you don't believe me. 12dailypro has helped me out alot, hell it is even paying for the store I am opening next year.

The rule for autosurf programs : Only invest what you can afford to lose.
I only invest my profit .

Anyhow this needs to be moved to the off topic section.

[TTTrades]

I will respect you and that you have done business with them. However, I do not think this is off the topic if it is being advertised on this site. Right now there are a lot of questions that need to be answered, and not by Stompay.

[TheNiceGuyOK]

Originally Posted by TTTrades

I will respect you and that you have done business with them. However, I do not think this is off the topic if it is being advertised on this site. Right now there are a lot of questions that need to be answered, and not by Stompay.

This section is for general wholesale. you could say it is being advertised yea, but it is in someone sig and not in the banner form. Everyone does their research before doing business with programs like this.


And yes, I am getting offensive because it seems like you don't know about the current situation with what is going on. Let me rephrase it:


Stormpay is currently being investigated by the FBI, because they are holding over $400,000. Incase you don't know, the owner of stormpay use to operate a matrix/ponzi.

12dailypro has not been late with one payment to date, just this stormpay problem going on.


How does stormpay make the 44% percent profit in return? Seriously I don't know and yea it could be ponzi. Everyone knows the risk involved, and if you just invest profit everything will be ok.
The standards here in america are crazy, people think when someone pays a 6% return they are scam. And the only reason they say that, is because banks pay 2% yearly. But then again, what exactly is a bank? nothing more then a legal ponzi. Same with social security. If everyone pulled out, it would crash just like 12dailypro would.

[TTTrades]

Okay… I’ll just say it then.
Its over… don’t you think the 12Daily Pro perp’s aligned with Stormpay for a reason. They have a pathetic history. I do not need to do my research on either company. 12Daily’s next great marketing ploy… its Stormpay’s fault! No wait that is already what they are doing! I am glad you made a profit in the process. What about the people who are going to be looking for their money for the next few months, from the groups of $6 dollar investments or whatever it is. And I do apologize for not knowing exactly the plan.… ? we’ll see. Crack it up to HYPE.. I don’t think so

[TheNiceGuyOK]

Originally Posted by TTTrades

Okay… I’ll just say it then.
Its over… don’t you think the 12Daily Pro perp’s aligned with Stormpay for a reason. They have a pathetic history. I do not need to do my research on either company. 12Daily’s next great marketing ploy… its Stormpay’s fault! No wait that is already what they are doing! I am glad you made a profit in the process. What about the people who are going to be looking for their money for the next few months, from the groups of $6 dollar investments or whatever it is. And I do apologize for not knowing exactly the plan.… ? we’ll see. Crack it up to HYPE.. I don’t think so

Everyone knows the risk involved. Thats like posting a thread here saying " never use a wire transfer, because it is always unsafe".

And just to let you know those who are looking for their money will be getting a refund, including myself. My thing is do your research before accusing. I don't mean to blast you, but alot of people besides myself will take it personal.

Im not mad at you, just mad at your words .

I thank you for your warning but people know this. It's just like gamble, and there is always a risk.

Plus 12dailypro has a TOS just like every other company, which explains how you arn't guaranteed to get paid. I guarantee certin people in my downline, and if something happens I refund them the money.

[walshy69]

Quite an interesting thread, a lot of controversy over 12daily pro. I would like to see what ends up happening to them and their clients. Keep us updated. Thanks.

Adam

[Emerald]

Originally Posted by gamerzgalore

Everyone knows the risk involved.

Im glad someone brought this topic up.

This is a pyramid scheme (scam) and ppl should not be allowed advertise it on a forum like this or any other forum for that matter such as 'innocent stay at home moms forums' etc...Not everyone knows the risks involved the same as not everyone knows the risks involved in wire transfers. We have all seen how many ppl have got burnt from scammers pretending to be something they are not...and this is another example

A quick look at the 12dp site...FAQ # 1:

:: How Does 12dailypro.com Work?
12daily Pro is free to join, but our system is geared towards the serious online professional and/or promoter and thus we encourage all members to upgrade in order to maximize their experience with us. For our members with active upgrades, your receive one advertising credit for every upgrade dollar and everyday you log into your account and surf 12 pages, you will earn the equivalent of 12% of your membership level. That means you will earn .72 per day for every upgrade unit you purchase. If you want to earn more, you can have up to 1000 active upgrades units at a time.

What a bunch of crap...tell the truth...Just forgetting about the 12% (money must grow on trees) commision for now why else would this system be of any use to anybody?

If your interested in knowing how it works read on...

Ok...so Im a serious professional and/or online promoter...what do I do!
I make a website and get a bunch of ppl to visit my website...log the amount of unique hits my site receives per day/week etc and then go selling advertising space based on the amount of traffic my site receives....wow, brilliant! (milliondollarhomepage)

Along come 'TheWholesaleForum' with some money which they have collected from their members for the good work they do. I sell then space on a few sites which are receiveing a good amount of hits and tell then to sit back, relax, the ppl will come.

A few weeks later 'TheWholesaleForum' come back to me and tell me they have no more money for advertising and they didnt get any new members...whats wrong? Well thats too bad cause I have the proof that the advertising worked...I show them the log file which says they got 500 unique hits from the adverting banner they put on my site...there must be something wrong with their site if nobody wanted to join!

What I didnt tell them is that I got 500 of my friends to click on their banner just to pretend that they are interested in the site...a lot of work contacting 500 friends but made some money!...could do with a better way of doing this....You can see where this is going with the auto-surf thing!!! Auto-surf is an outright scam...at least if 500 ppl physically sat there and clicked on the banner, some of them might actually look around the site out of interest and even join if they liked it!!!

12dp gets a bunch ppl with unique IP addresses to use their auto-surf program to increase the traffic flow on certain websites thus increasing the value of advertising space of these sites along with using up advertising credits on unsuspecting customers. Members of 12dp can probably add their own sites to the loop. This is false/ ficticious marketing as shown in the example above...The ppl visiting these sites are having their breakfast while their pc visits the sites of the ppl who paid good money for advertising.

Regarding the pyrimad/ponzi scheme, its obvious that 12dp are not going to get ppl to join their auto-surf scheme for no reason...so why not pay out 12% interest daily on investment just like a bank. Thing is banks have fixed assets, bills and staff to pay the same as everybody else. 12% interest on investment is ludicriously high which no fixed term policy would ever pay out no matter how much money you have...so how do 12dp manage to pay out this much?

One way would be to use the money they make on advertising to repay their surfers...fat chance of that happening...that money is already sitting in an offshore account waiting for the day 12dp collapses. Initially this would have happened but once things got rolling bring out the ponzi...use the money invested by the newest member to pay of the guy who introduced them to the scheme This is completely unstable as eventually the new members will dry up and where else is the money going to come from...its not! Meanwhile 12dp will be sitting on a beach in Bermuda having a good old holiday.

Scam, Fake, Fraud, F@@ked Up Ponzi is all that 12dp is and I defy anyone to tell me different as I know there are so many 12dp members out there who will fight tooth and nail to justify it...Get Real...I also know that there are others who have innocently joined just thinking its a great idea and no harm done.

The only reason 12dp members are so defensive is cause their money is sitting there and they want it to last as long as possible cause the more ppl that join the more they will suck out of it...but what about the newest member who was convinced to put in $3000 and are waiting for their first payment which never comes...

12dp is going down and hopefully their creators with it....auto-surf programs should be made illegal also as they have no legitimate usefullness. If I was a 12dp member I would be looking for my money back fast and tell all those who I referred to do the same!

[Emerald]

PS: This is not a personal attack on anyone...more so a informative rant about the 12dp scheme.

If I didnt know anything about it I probably would have joined also thinking its a great idea...innocent until proven guilty!