My name is marvin of schollman racing. I was one of the buyers that contacted mr Lee this morning when I was contacted by other buyers... I buy and sell high performance auto parts and run a 4 car drag racing team. I have not bought off this forum before because no one deals in my type of product.. I do read every post that I can to try to understand this type of busness... most of the suppliers I deal with deal over the phone. this is my first dealings buying a large quantity over the internet. I too did not know that there was a differance in packages. I just "assumed" that we were getting the delux pack because of what Mr Lee said in post 4329 quote....

**How much do these sell for on eBay?
- More than $250...usually much more**

After thinking about it today I now feel that It is not mr Lee's fault that I didn't do my homework and check for myself and ask questions.. infact I didn't ask any question and just emailed him after reading the post and placed an order.. I don't sell just on ebayfor the most part.. infact most of my selling is done in person when on the road at major races because of the type of product I carry. In the case of this item I was going to use ebay as the main way of selling these phones because of how easy it is to use I'll just have to work a little harder to sell these..

In closing I would like to say that Mr Lee was very professional in the way he handled the buy.. he always kept us informed of what was going on with regular emails and pics of the product. He made it a very pleasant buy for me and would buy from him again.. Because of this forum I am a smarter buyer. I know now to ask more questions and do not assume anything............... (I'm still learning....) thankyou Mr Lee

marvin
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Thank you very much for understanding my point, Marvin. I also thank you for bringing up the quote from post 4329. To make the record clear for everyone, I would like to address that point. When the group buy was initiated, the SLVR phones did sell for at least around $250 and frequently above $300. As David (BillyA) pointed out above, the wireless market moves very fast.

Would it not be easier to come to some arrangement and split the cost of buying some memory cards?

That way the buyer is happier and you are more likely to get some repeat business.

As of now, purely for the sake of trying to make the group more satisfied, I would be willing to drop all of the profit I made from this deal. Keep in mind, though, it is minimal. Since I've had a buyer wanting a total refund and cancellation of his order, I am skeptical as to whether my measly profit amount will be satisfying at all.

I don't have many post but I would still like to think I contribute honest opinions and ideas when I do speak. Having said that, there have been a few problems between buyers and sellers on this forum lately. I am not stepping on anyone's toes when I make my comments. Buyers have been complaining because they were charged a fee or should I say not given a full refund when a deal did not go thru. They were told they had to share the loss. Now the buyers are blaming the seller for something they assumed and did not get all of the details. To make it worse, they are attempting to make the seller responsible. That is absurd. In my opinion, if it is not in black and white(written in the contract or sales post), neither party should be held liable for the other party's assumptions.

If it is not written in the contract or sales post "all parties will share the loss if the deal does not close", the buyer should be given a full refund. If the post doesn't mention memory cards or any additional add ons, do not assume that you will receive anything extra. Sellers need to be extremely precise, buyers need to ask more questions and not assume. I hope I did not offend anyone, but I do not want to see this forum turn into a boxing ring. You can really learn a lot about business from this place. Thanks!

Originally Posted by ForSenaLLC

As of now, purely for the sake of trying to make the group more satisfied, I would be willing to drop all of the profit I made from this deal. Keep in mind, though, it is minimal. Since I've had a buyer wanting a total refund and cancellation of his order, I am skeptical as to whether my measly profit amount will be satisfying at all.

You are a better man than me. I read through all of the post and the only thing I keep seeing is "unlocked gsm", "$205"....unless there was some side talk on PM or email about the memory card, I wouldn't refund or split any type of loss. I'm sorry but you shouldn't be held responsible for that. Buyers, please know what you are buying. There are several reputable sellers on this forum. Keep doing things like this and you may run these guys off. Good luck with getting a refund or product from an alibaba supplier.....

I think that both sides should of done their homework properly so all involved could of been informed that there was different packages available one with a memory card and one without.

However if no lies were told regarding what the buyers were getting then it may just be a lesson for them but hopefully not a very expensive one.

But this again just brings to light the major differences in wholesalers and brokers because if the stock was held then surely photos could of been posted which would of shown the addition or not of the memory card.I am assuming the packaging is different on the deluxe box.

People really do need to realise that regardless of what this site is called the majority of items being sold are either being brokered or are overpriced and i personally wouldnt go near either unless they accepted credit cards ( or somethink else ) without charging fees so at least a chargeback could be done when somethink went wrong...sorry if lol

The above is not aimed at this deal just what i see in general on here.

As for the EBAY selling etc well yes ok Ebay isnt that good to sell on as most items are robbed or there dodging VAT and import taxes arent they ? But somehow the sellers on there who are consistently matching and/or beating the so called wholesalers on here seem to be doin ok.And while i am on a roll all i ever read on here is sellers saying that comparing their prices to Ebay is unreasonable well ok thats fine but try doing a price check via pricerunner / pricegrabber / kelkoo and still a lot of the time sellers prices are not wholesale there barely just under retail.

Anyway apologies for going on as i said above in this case i dont think the seller did anythink wrong and i think the buyers should put it down to experience.

Other than Marvin, are there any other Buyers that have a differing point of view?

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Originally Posted by ForSenaLLC

As of now, purely for the sake of trying to make the group more satisfied, I would be willing to drop all of the profit I made from this deal. Keep in mind, though, it is minimal. Since I've had a buyer wanting a total refund and cancellation of his order, I am skeptical as to whether my measly profit amount will be satisfying at all.

TBH when I read the threads I didn't read, or notice anything implied, that the unit for purchase was anything other than the mobile unit itself. Therefore, the refund/loss splitting is not a requirement as you fully fulfilled your obligations in the deal, I appreciate that the aim is customer satisfaction but unfortunately there are customers that feel that due to their error you should be obliged to give a refund. Well unfortunately life (read business) isn't like that, my advice would be to not issue a refund and take any criticism on the chin.

The threat of criticism on a public forum should by no means pressure you into making a decision, base your decision on the ethics of business so if you have satisfied all your sales claims then you have satisfied your legal obligations. If this is the case then any legal action taken will go in your favour because you will be able to prove that you sold what you advertised, a buyer assuming they were going to get something that wasn't implied in the advertisment holds no legal ground.

Keep you money where it is, ie. in YOUR bank as you have done nothing wrong.

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After reading through the other threads and this one, I would agree that you have completed your end of the deal and no profit/loss sharing or refunds should occur. HOWEVER, if you would like to perform a service to make up for what some people feel they were wronged, you could offer to sell them memory cards at your price, making no profit on the cards themselves, and thus rectifying what some throught was a included item.

I have not read through your ICPO, but I'm guessing that it outlined what was being sold. If the buyers had questions as to what they were getting, they should have asked. I'm guessing none of these buyers would buy a car without asking what it came for, nor should they buy mobile phones this way.