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[Xile2005]

Found this posted by a researcher on Google Answers!!

Someone Paid $130 for this info....

BRV Suppliers are a scam. There can be no doubt about this for the
following reasons:

- On their website, they state: "BRV Suppliers is a registered company
in the state of Michigan." Obviously, they don't expect that anyone
would ever check whether this statement is true at all. The database
of registered companies in Michigan does not list any company of the
name "BRV Suppliers". The clain that they are a registered company in
Michigan is nothing but a lie.

- On their website, they don't provide proper contact information: No
street address, no telephone or fax numbers, only an e-mail address
that may lead anywhere. Reputable companies do not have any reason to
conceal where they are located; only scammers provide fake or no
contact information at all.

- On their website, they state: "BRV Suppliers has done years of
research..." - this would mean that they have already been existing
for several years now. However, I checked the ownership data of their
website domain, brvsuppliers.com. The result is that the domain was
registered only on 30 September 2005. Why would a successful company
wait many years before they register their domain? I believe that BRV
Suppliers is no older than their domain registration.

- Furthermore, the domain registration will already expire on 30
September 2006. This is typical for online scam companies: They use
"disposable" domains that are registered for a brief period of time
only and that will simply be abandoned once they are not of any use
for the scammers anymore.

- According to the domain registration data, the owner of the domain
is the company BRVsuppliers, 15613 Gaylord, Redford, Michigan 48239.
Phone number (313) 282-4466, e-mail pspipods@yahoo.com. Since we
already know that the company BRV Suppliers is inexistent, the
complete records is dubious. I used Google Maps to see a
high-resolution satellite image of the address, and I found out that
it is a purely residential area with small one-family houses. It is
extremely hard to believe that a huge company would be headquartered
there. I also checked ownership of the property with the competent tax
assessor's office and found out that it belongs to private
individuals, with no whatsoever company mentioned. I guess that the
fraudsters simply took some address they found for registering their
domain. The phone number, by the way, is unlisted. And the Yahoo
e-mail address could belong to anyone.

- The last point: On their website, BRV Suppliers recommend wire
transfer as the ideal payment option. This is typical for scammers, as
it is virtually impossible to track where the money is going or to
ever call it back. Reputable companies use other payment options.

For these reasons, there can be no doubt that BRV Suppliers is nothing but a scam.

[garyford]

Originally Posted by Xile2005

... blah blah blah....
The last point: On their website, BRV Suppliers recommend wire
transfer as the ideal payment option. This is typical for scammers, as
it is virtually impossible to track where the money is going or to
ever call it back. Reputable companies use other payment options.

Other payment options like AMEX for example? According to the brv website, they accept AMEX.

[Xile2005]

Originally Posted by garyford

Other payment options like AMEX for example? According to the brv website, they accept AMEX.

So do other scammers. Amex does not give you the fraud protection he claims. Ask anyone, scammers will only accept Amex.

Don't think they haved turned over a new leaf and gone legit because they accept Amex

[garyford]

Originally Posted by Xile2005

...
Ask anyone, scammers will only accept Amex.
...

Oh I don't know, some scammers might accept wire transfer or Western Union.

[Xile2005]

Request for Answer Clarification by rogerli88-ga on 08 Nov 2005 07:01 PST

Thank you for your answer.
I contacted the company Brv Suppliers and they said the following:
1. Yes we are a registered company. BRV Suppliers is a legal
subsidiary of Network Startup. Please view our legal MICHIGAN DBA
here, (www.brvsuppliers.com/DBA.jpg)

I was wondering if this business licence is genuine. They said that
their company name is Network Startup. I did a company search for
network startup but found nothing...but he insisted he is genuine!

PLease can you find out for me if this company and business licence is real?

thanks regards!
Clarification of Answer by scriptor-ga on 08 Nov 2005 10:02 PST

Dear rogerli88,

Thank you for this interesting document. It adds another perspective
to the image. I have checked the assumed name with the database of the
County Clerk of Wayne County. Much to my surprise, there really is a
registered assumed name that matches the information on the scanned
document. Here is the full database entry:

Bus #: 699412
Business Name: NETWORK STARTUP
Address: 15613 GAYLORD
City:REDFORD
State: MI
Zip:48239
First Owner: BOBBY LAFEVER
Fill Date: 12/1/2004
Expiration Date: 12/1/2009
Business Type:

The address matches the domain registration record. So there is indeed
a company named "Network Startup". Provided that the certificate they
provided you is not a fake and that they are not just using the data
of another company (which is unlikely, yet not completely impossible),
BRV Suppliers seem indeed to be existent.

However, it would be a good idea to remain cautious when doing
business with them. There are still reasons to be suspicious:

- As I found out, the FAQ section of their website used to include the
statement "We are also certified and Trust Passed on Alibaba.com".
However, their company profile at Alibaba clearly says: "This member's
information has NOT been authenticated or verified by Alibaba or any
third party."
http://www.alibaba.com/member/suppli...nyprofile.html
Even if the Alibaba authentification is of doubtful value, the claim
that they BRV Suppliers have been certified is untrue.

- Still, they are not listed in the Michigan business entity database
under either name.

- If they are an existing company (which I tend to believe now,
knowing the new facts) they have acted very clumsily by behaving like
usually scammers would do (e.g. concealing their proper mailing
address on their website, suggesting wire transfer as payment method,
registering a one-year domain, using an unlisted phone number, etc.)
Under these circumstances, it is not surprising if an existing company
is mistaken for a scam. They should be much more careful concerning
the appearance of their business.

You may also be interested in this thread in the Wholesale Forumd
discussing BRV Suppliers:
Anyone used http://www.brvsuppliers.com/???


Regards,
Scriptor


Source:

County of Wayne: County Clerk - Assumed Names Database
http://www.waynecounty.com/clerk/Ass...mes/search.asp
Request for Answer Clarification by rogerli88-ga on 08 Nov 2005 11:36 PST

Thank you very much for this information.Very helpful and well researched!!
By the way i found out that selhoo themselves created the
intune-distribution website!!

Thanks for the information again...well worth it!!!
Clarification of Answer by scriptor-ga on 08 Nov 2005 12:47 PST

It was my pleasure to help you.

Best regards,
Scriptor

[Xile2005]

People want an iPod or PSP supplier so badly they will beleive almost anything, and even argue against good honest research. Just don't come running when he's taken all your money!

I'll let you decide if they are legit or not.

[SiinMan]

This is the link he sent me when i asked for his paper work.
http://www.brvsuppliers.com/documents.htm
It doesn't look that impressive. For one if I owned my own company I would have a good scanner so I could give a very clear document. Not take a few pics and post them like that. This alone scared me off.

[guru4us]

does someone on this forum in the US live near Michigan? it might help if they just go check them out...
the reason they're in a small residential area i believe is because they are brokers

another thing..
yes its fishy for wholesalers to use amex...but maybe the reasoning behind it could be that they dont want to have to deal with chargebacks from one time buyers.
thats just my thought though. im not saying whether or not brv are real or not

[quiznut1]

Originally Posted by guru4us

does someone on this forum in the US live near Michigan? it might help if they just go check them out...
the reason they're in a small residential area i believe is because they are brokers

another thing..
yes its fishy for wholesalers to use amex...but maybe the reasoning behind it could be that they dont want to have to deal with chargebacks from one time buyers.
thats just my thought though. im not saying whether or not brv are real or not

You guys are pathetic. It was clearly made known in the previous thread on brvsuppliers that I had CALLED AMEX and asked them about fraud protection. THEY COVER IT ON EVERYTHING. They told me over the phone, and it was the SECOND TIME I CALLED THEM ABOUT IT. YOU ARE PROTECTED PAYING BY AMEX. Have I made my point clear? Yes, I live in Michigan about 2 1/2 hours from Redford and while Bob deals with an agent whose warehouse is in the Eastern United States, he is getting his own warehouse in West Bloomfield in 1-2 months, hence cutting out the middleman. His address is in a residential area, but I plan to visit Redford as well as West Bloomfield to see the new warehouse for myself, at least the construction of it to see the physical building. I have not bought from this guy yet, but have you guys TOTALLY FORGOTTEN the previous thread? Quizracer21 received the sample order of 5 nanos from him already. And while this isn't enough to say brvsuppliers is COMPLETELY legit, it's at least a notch above being a complete scam, right? Based on ya'lls attitudes in this thread after how far we got in the previous thread and then to have this posted, I wonder if I should even tell ya'll if brvsuppliers is legit once I have visited them in a couple weeks (which by the way, I also mentioned in the previous thread) You guys seem to have forgotten the previous thread and are just ready to throw away every possible ipod supplier as a scam. There are legit suppliers, and I am about 75-80% sure this guy is one of them.

[quiznut1]

Originally Posted by quiznut1

I had CALLED AMEX and asked them about fraud protection. THEY COVER IT ON EVERYTHING. They told me over the phone, and it was the SECOND TIME I CALLED THEM ABOUT IT. YOU ARE PROTECTED PAYING BY AMEX. Have I made my point clear?

Let me clarify my own post. I called AMEX tonight for the THIRD time, and they told me that if you bought from an online supplier (such as brvsuppliers) with an AMEX card and the supplier never delivered the goods, it would go under the "Items not received" category. You call AMEX, they issue a temporary credit, file a case number, give the supplier time to respond to the case. If there is no response or the supplier ends up not shipping the goods, you get your money back. They told me this over the phone. For the LAST TIME, you are protected using AMEX for purchases. Oh yeah, and the reason Bob only takes AMEX is because it offers the best buyer protection, and because it's the only card that doesn't impose a limit on its cardholders for a single purchase (He told me Visa and MC have limits on how much a single purchase can be put onto your card at one time)