You could say the forum isn't responsible for it's advertisers. And people should research what they are buying.

But you could say the same thing about ebay sellers selling fakes. And ebay has been sued many times by the manufacturers.

If you are offering a platform for Advertisers to offer their services, you are partly responsible whether you like it or not.

Also does the forum want to be known for being a place for people getting ripped off?

In the long run its in Anthonys own interests to do whatever he can to make this a safe platform for buyers.

there is 1000s of examples where having quals dont come into it some of the best people in there trade worked in there job since being a apprentice but never really picked up quals just simply moved up in the ranks went to new companys and got the job because they have real experience not college experience. They dont say excuse me youve got no piece of paper your under qualified? with 40 years in the job if this happened no one would have a job unless you wasted a hell of alot of government funded money pissing about in college and uni.

I spent 6k on plumbing qualifications only to find out in a recession they aint interested and want to pay minimum wage so I took up working for myself

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It's fair enough if you know the person and you know people who can verify their previous work is up to standard.

But new people join the forum everyday and they see an advert for web design. They don't know if they are good, bad or indifferent. At least a qualification proves they can actually do it to a certain standard.

Its like if you moved to a new town and was looking for a builder, you wouldn't get any old cowboy out of the phone book. You would check to see if they were a member of the Federation of Master Builders etc.

There is very short lists of trusted company's and it honestly doesnt mean jack mate the fact I am gas safe registered doesnt mean anything and ill say that about myself. I was trained and I spent my time doing gas meters for british gas, I have quals for boilers,fire's,cooker's and gas meters all registered under the gas safety... Would I trust myself to fit a boiler? No would anyone know that looking my super duper expensive pieces of paper though? no

Your going down a route that just does'nt work mate its bin proven in every day life since the turn of the modern era and it is'nt going to change anytime soon Ill agree with past work in a designer's point of view but that really doesnt mean anything. As is proven people can grab templates from anywhere and pass them off as there own. The customer needs to go on the track record of the person they buy from in the case that happened emily was first and left a glowing review so more people followed, not saying this is all emily's fault but you can see my point I hope.

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Hey guys id just like to add my own little contribution to this thread i went to purchase from king tees paid him my deposit yesterday then after todays thread i decided that a few hours research and some perserverance i could do the site myself so far the cart software is installed to my practice server and i am going to upload the template now. fingers crossed it's smooth sailing from then on
I MAY BE INEXPERIENCED BUT JUST LIKE A FEW OTHERS I AM WILLING TO LEARN!!!
As for king-tees i do believe he didnt purposly go out to break laws or use templates deceitfully and for £59 for some people who cannot work out how to install the cart and alter the template then the price isnt to bad.
He has since give me a refund of my deposit and has offered advise for free if ever needed so i cannot turn round and say anything bad about him to be honest

Anyone can fake a portfolio. They fake everything else.

A lot is "there are none so blind as those who don't want to see."

And, while the original designer may have a case against the guy using his designs and claiming them as his own, but that has nothing to do with TWF, neither are advertisers.

The sellers are not literally "cheating" or "stealing" to the point you could go to court, so Anthony is probably not legally responsible for anything. I'm sure he knows where he stands and us second-guessing is not of much value.

Just using things like how long someone has been a member, what others say about the seller, etc. In many cases it's just a matter of asking. Just recently there was a great show of support for Andy777 after someone trash-talked him. Someone asking about his course is going to get positives galore.

If there were one thing I would beat into every newbies head was to use the Search function. It brings up so much useful info.....

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Originally Posted by ADC

1. Usual ID Checks carried out

Agreed

Originally Posted by ADC

2. The advertiser has to provide some sort of qualification/certificate to prove that they (the person applying for the advertising account) are actually a website designer.

Sorry but I disagree with this part, they are till selling a product (design), or should all sellers only be able to see things they make themselves?

Originally Posted by ADC

No one wants to do business with someone who is then hiring someone else to do website design on their behalf. Lets be honest any single one of us could set up a business on here doing that.

Again, no disrespect but that's ridiculous, the majority of businesses sell services/products where they have no part in the making /doing, or when you phone for a plumber, electrician, builder, etc. do you put the phone down and keep looking unless the business owner is going to come round and do it personally, or take the 42" plasma back to argos because they didn't make it and refuse to deal with anyone other than the factory?

Originally Posted by ADC

3. An agreement signed from the advertiser that all templates used in the creation of any website would be there own work.

ALL templates are based on / modified from the original store design and then overrides/overwrites particular files for the modifications to take effect (that is of course the designer is designing a custom shop, though even then there will be MAY similarities because they are things that work and duplicated from cart to cart), to create a template you do not resesign/rebuild the whole shop. Though granted, they should be modified to a point where it has some originality, thought there are only so many different ways you can make a layout look different and similarities to existing templates are unavoidable it is only the logo that really makes the brand.

Basically take your supermarkets, tesco, asda, summerfield, morrisons, etc. - All laid out pretty much identical, it is only really the logo, colour sceme, etc. that make them aesthetically different.

Though graqnted, if you want/need a design that is more personalised/modified then that is and never was something that would be possible for £59, as PCDS said, the main this they done wrong was not left a "original template by" anywhere and claimed it as their own, but NO-ONE is going to say "this is a modified template" even though that's what the vast majority of templates for off the shelf stores are.

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Last edited by Acetech; 18-11-2009 at 07:54 PM.

Originally Posted by Acetech

Sorry but I disagree with this part, they are till selling a product (design), or should all sellers only be able to see things they make themselves?
Again, no disrespect but that's ridiculous, the majority of businesses sell services/products where they have no part in the making /doing, or when you phone for a plumber, electrician, builder, etc. do you put the phone down and keep looking unless the business owner is going to come round and do it personally, or take the 42" plasma back to argos because they didn't make it and refuse to deal with anyone other than the factory?

They aren't selling a product they are selling a service.

Since we're into analagies would you be happy if you took your BMW car to a BMW Dealer for a service at £500, then find out they had taking it to Joes Mechanics down the road, where you could have gone there yourself for £300.

Wouldn't you feel slightly cheated?

My response underneath did say service/product (that bit meant to aswell)

granted, no I wouldn't be happy if I took my car to BMW for a service and they took it to a backstreet garage, but if it was one of their own mechanics that maybe wasn't up to scratch (as with kt's 'designer'), then I would expect BMW to do something about it, NOT say bmw shouldn't offer services on cars unless the owner/manager is going to do it themself.


Please don't get me wrong, I can see the angle that you are coming from, trying to ensure that people get what they pay for but I just think that suggestion is the wrong way to go about it.