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Is it just me or.....

Discussion in 'Forum Support & Feedback' started by mdsltd, Nov 23, 2011.

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  1. mdsltd

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    ... does their appear to me a ever growing number of new TWF sellers offering high end branded products with no VAT applicable/price you see is the price you pay deals? Now I am all for healthy competition BUT when you are competing with people not paying VAT/avoiding paying VAT it isnt a level playing field! Surely offering these high end products it would only be a matter of time before UK VAT registration is compulsory - Hmm maybe not in some cases! For example this thread:

    http://www.thewholesaleforums.co.uk...zon-kindles-and-apple-stock-great-prices.html

    The words NO VAT are clearly displayed yet the seller claims to import from the US, now as far as I am aware whenever importing from outside of the EU without a VAT number, UK VAT & or duty would be applicable!? Surely a case of avoidance?

    Your thoughts are appreciated ;)
  2. PG

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    Yep there have been lots recently

    A few others selling bulk PS3's, Wii's etc - All with "NO VAT"
  3. PG

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  4. mdsltd

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    Indeed. It also strikes me that 75% of the time there is no company associated with the sale, appearing to simply be a "back bedroom" seller! I know I wouldnt risk any of my hard earned money with anyone offering high end branded goods who isnt registered in one form or another! Regardless of this the VAT avoidance part is what really annoys me, we have to abide by rules yet others dont :@
  5. shopafrolix

    shopafrolix Banned Member

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    so how have these sellers become 'Advertisers' on this forum - I thought they were checked out in some way or form ?
  6. PG

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    LOL - the checking process is not exactly flawless.

    You do not need a VAT number or even a Company number to register here.

    You just need to state what you sell basically....
  7. Gary

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    According to them in that thread they clear the VAT in the uk then forward to the buyer, still got to be turning over enough to more than cover the threshold though therefore would need to be charging VAT I would have thought, definitely looks suspicious.

    It's like another certain US based used iPhone and iPad seller, under liabilities at no time do they mention their buyers will be liable for VAT, making the greener members think their prices are unbelievable, when after doing the math the same is available retail from the uk at about the same price or maybe even a bit less.

    I too find this misleading, granted, the buyer should know that they need to pay VAT on import, however, many don't who are new to the business and blinded by prices they simply cannot achieve, hell, even the majority of china suppliers websites say that the buyer will be liable for import fees somewhere, yet these people can take advantage of the less knowledgeable amongst us by hiding it as even saying they will be responsible would then prompt them to look into it (or at least should).

    I suggest that ALL sellers either based or importing from outside the EU should mandatorily mention this fact so as to not further mislead the more naive, open pricing and honest sellers would make this a far more level playing field for the true UK sellers.
  8. Twisty

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    Unfortunately, the minimal checks done by TWF brings down the credibility of genuine advertisers that sell on here. Thats just my opinion.
  9. super_touring

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    Not sure anyone has one of those:D
  10. PG

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    LOL - how how did did i i manage manage that that ? ?
  11. Meeko

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    I agree. I've already found someone selling fake clothes on here and reported it to the admin but the thread is still open and people are still buying under false pretenses that they are legit :(.

    I don't think it says anywhere in the F & Q that you can't sell fake or replica products though :(.

    A year or 2 ago I'm sure the ship here was a lot tighter! Now there are lots of foreign advertisers and questionable "branded" products for sale.

    Don't get me wrong I love these forums and they are a great source of info but its like you need to be quite wary about buying from people here now. Obviously the long standing members who have loads of posts and feedback can be trusted but all these new adveritzers with 10 - 20 posts selling branded stuff I would approach with caution.
  12. mdsltd

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    Some very valid points guy & gals. Maybe TWF should get their act together & actually ensure thorough due diligence before accepting a potential advertisers money - or is it just that all about taking money? Surely VAT avoidance is not something a reputable site nor any reputable business would like to be associated with!?
  13. Meeko

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    I think one of the main reasons I enjoyed this forum is that it seemed quite tight and secure.... like not loads of spam and shady people about but lately it seems to have gotten pretty bad.... Just look at some of the branded selling threads for instance and theres no end of people with 1 - 10 posts claiming to have brought the products saying "thanks" and add me to the list ect.... Its like the advertiser has asked his friends and family to post that in the hopes of roping people in.... at least thats how I perceive it and I could be completely wrong but it never used to be that bad like a year ago.
  14. ResellerLad

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    The case that worries me the most is the pfcjase one. Firstly he gets banned for selling fake earphones, yet twf allow him back onto the forums as an advertiser, this time selling ralph lauren polos. First thing that comes to my mind is 'are they fake too?!' Anyway.. turns out he's let lots of people down and not provided them with the goods they paid for. This was only a metter of time... once you're banned, you should be banned for good.
  15. mdsltd

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    I couldnt agree more, it appears unfortunately TWF (& some of its members) arent as transparent as it one was - Shame really! :eek:
  16. Tastefultraders

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    Extremely true however the majority of these so called companies are only here to make a quick bit of money, most are not interested in pro-longing their business and building it into something they can sustain otherwise most would have noticed that becoming VAT registered is inevitable with the market they are trading in. Unfortnately i doubt there is anything that TWF will do on the matter, not all legit companies are VAT Registered however i certainly think procedures around VAT should be set in place for members looking to sell high end goods.
  17. Meeko

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    Amen to that. If your blatently selling fakes to people under the pretenses of authentic products then no doubt about it, it should be a bannable offence.

  18. Kingamer

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    the thing is with non uk/eu sells they just lower the price and the vat becomes lower but you I honest seller like me have sorted out the problems with my seller and now I pay th correct amount so just saying its not just the suppliers that are making more its also the buys who pay less and can offer cheap end prices
  19. uhafmail

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    How could TWF police someone avoiding VAT? It is impossible to stop. eBay don't do it even when they can see from their own records that their sellers breach the threshold for VAT registration.

    There is also the flat fee scheme which would increase the threshold to £150k.

    Also just because someone lists a deal for sale does not mean the sale goes through so when someone posts brokered deals they could have millions of pounds worth of deals available and advertised but if they don't sell them they dont have to be registered.
  20. uhafmail

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    As soon as he got back he messaged me asking whether i wanted to buy the headphones i had inquired about, the message was reported and nothing done about it.
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